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06-11-2009, 02:22 PM
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to be clear
I don't think the original poster, who started this thread, is a shill, from the communications we have had. No doubt this bluebirds idiot WAS a shill.....or at least is a bogus person on the board.....well, now banned from the board.
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06-12-2009, 08:41 AM
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The scans listed with the Ruth signature looks just like one that was sold on eBay last summer/fall. If it is the same one it sold for around $1500 or so. I figured eBay did not boot it because the signature was difficult to verify the authenticity.
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06-12-2009, 11:25 AM
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As I understand it, this item was purchased on eBay, so it's likely the same.
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06-16-2009, 07:12 PM
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quick update on bluebirds
I had a fairly long phone conversation with "Bluebirds", Martin Green, today. There was a reason there was a faulty number, it had been changed. He has been reinstated, I have his new #, and he feels Garo does a good job. I just moderate and try to keep it real, folks..........
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06-17-2009, 10:28 AM
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Please forgive me for pasting a portion of my earlier post. (My first) I think it's applicable to this topic as well and didn't feel like retyping it. As I read this thread I found myself agreeing with Bluebird and saw how quickly he was set upon because he disagreed with some. I'm glad he turned out to be legit and was reinstated. Good diligence Leon.
I have little use for 3rd party authenticators who sell their wares and denounce anyone other than their friends items or their own merchandise. One claims a so called double major from an Ivy league university. First item in the resume and is apparently a documented lie. As many of these bogus and laughably inflated resumes seem to be. PSA and JSA are not the end all to beat all either. Another proudly claims to have obtained 100,000 "in person" autographs in 20 years. That's 1 per hour, 12 hours a day, 7 days a week, for twenty years. (And still 10,000 short) Sorry, I have trouble believing that. These are the same folks that are quick to call other items fake. I even had an "in person" Ali called a forgery. Not that it couldn't be verified authentic (which is fine) but an outright forgery. I believe these same folks are involved with ebay and can bounce items seemingly at will. Although I've never sold an autograph on ebay so I'm not too familiar how that works. They all have their own agenda and in most cases, I think it's driven by greed. Liars and crooks are killing this hobby. (No offense Shelly, but you did plenty of damage prior to seeing the light, AFTER you were caught) And there are plenty of them. Last edited by jeffects; 06-17-2009 at 10:39 AM. Reason: Addendums to pasted quote
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#7
06-17-2009, 05:13 PM
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The one thing that has to stop is the Shelly Jaffe bashing. He was a small fish in all of it, he got in trouble, did his time and while others are surely still involved in one way or another in betraying more victims, or even simply being silent, Shelly is no longer associated with his past and has become quite vocal about the current state of this business.
Who better to know how these crooks operate than a one-time member of that familiar world. After all, Frank Abagande whose life was depicted in the movie "Catch Me If You Can" was one of the biggest document and check forgers, and after twelve years of imprisonment, he now owns a successful business that helps detect forgeries. There is no difference to what Frank does and what Shelly is doing. He knows what you guys are doing and that just pisses you off, doesn't it? The one comment that I found amusing is the "didn't get caught" theory. The hobby is absolutely littered with fraudulent characters who have never been caught, will never get caught, have been caught or are soon to be caught. If you take a piece of paper and forge Babe Ruth's name on it, YOU ARE A CRIMINAL!, whether you get caught or not...Title 18, statute 1341, Mail Fraud (as well as Wire Fraud)--profitting off false pretences...and along those same lines you have Wire Fraud and counts which involve perpetrating a scheme and using the U.S Mail service to assist in the distribution of fraudulent goods. The tough part for the law is proving that you are a thief, not an idiot...in regards to you "knowingly" selling bogus merchandise. If you are knowingly selling fraudulent goods, YOU ARE A CRIMINAL! Oh, when the Morales thread was running strong, I was harrassed by this one e-mailer and now he has returned to harrass me. Hmmmm... Lastly, how many people on this thread come from the wonderful state of PA?  Show of hands please !!!!!!!!
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