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Old 10-13-2009, 03:27 PM
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Default I understand where you are coming from

But an important difference is that these are "raw" cards in a commonly traded set so book value can be pretty well established.

Most of the cards we see from the auctions houses are graded so they do have a different schematic in terms of value (In other words; it is easy to trace their history from a site such as VCP )

But, in this case; these are raw off-conditioned cards from a commonly traded set. No harm in listing a NM (Book) price so you have an idea as to percent of value the card could be worth.

Same principle if I break a 1967 Topps set. Other than I would not list the commons for the cheap price one by one; when I get to the Seaver RC (as an example); I might say; Card lists in NM at $400 (or whatever current book is), this card is in VG Condition. Min Bid is just 10 percent of NM price and we'll begin at $40. In both cases; in reality a good scan is just as important as the min bid so we can truly see what the damage is.

Again; nothing wrong with stating full book price for higher condition and creating an appropriate minimum bid. I'm sure Brian has made mistakes in the past and will do so in the future; in this case; he is fine

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Old 10-13-2009, 10:51 PM
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In the old days, auctioneers often used to do it this way ("Nrmt Becket $120"), When the cards were grade Nrmt-Mt or Mt, the listed book price (Nrmt $100) was below the value of the card. The book quote was meant as a quick and dirty reference for bidders. As the practice was so prevalent at the time and most bidders subscribed to Beckett and knew the equations of Ex = 50% Nrmt, Vg =30% Nrmt etc, most bidders understood the meaning of the quote. In fact, the auctioneer often explained the financial meaning of the quote.

As I've seen this practice before, it doesn't bother me personally and I do not believe it is intended to be deceptive. If someone says an auction doing this should have a blurb somewhere explaining the Nrmt book quoting and what it means visa vie value, I would agree with that.

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Old 10-15-2009, 02:05 PM
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To go along the same path it seems very likely that the

E90 Sweeney is trimmed at the top and or the bottom. Top is wavy, bottom has a sharp angle on the left corner.

http://www.bcbauctions.com/auction/p...ball-cards/43/

Since you had a card in your last auction that was obviously trimmed and even after I contacted you about it several times, you choose not to adjust the listing, I wonder if you would consider addressing this card this time around.

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Old 10-15-2009, 11:15 PM
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I just took a look at the website.

The website says, among other things, that Brian is "the biggest, most popular and the most knowledgeable expert/seller/buyer in New York City and the entire East Coast for vintage sports cards" (emphasis added).

Do people here agree he is all that?
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Adam....He is the "King"
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Old 10-15-2009, 11:34 PM
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I just listened (via podcast via the link to the radio station he provided in one of his posts above) to the first few minutes of one of his radio shows . . . which, by the way, sound like he is calling in on the telephone, as opposed to being in the actual radio station studio.

In the October 9, 2009 episode/show at 5:56, he indicates someone can "profit instantly" by buying/winning items from his auction.

Do people here agree that's a fair statement to make in promoting an auction?
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Obviously the auctioneer engages in some inane puffery; but other than the obviously trimmed card does anyone have any reason to believe there's also fraud going on in this auction? Anyone know of instances in this guy's auction where cards are repeatedly selling for 25x more than what they sold for the day before and after? Anyone know of instances in which bidders are openly discussing -- cough, cough, not on this board, of course -- bidding on their friends' auctions (and vice versa)? Any easily proven lies about claims of "1 of 1" populations?

Now if we can only get some angry denunciations of the critics on this thread from known (and some unknown but soon to be proven) shills for this auctioneer then I think we may be on to something.
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