T206 Red Cobb SGC 60/Altered? on eBay

[calvindog]

And as I noted, three corners which would grade 7-8 and one cracked corner knocked it down to a 5.

And now the ebay seller is sad that a card for which he paid a 30% premium with the hope of cracking it out and getting a bump is actually only worth the true price of an SGC 60. Speculators engage in speculation. You can't win them all.

Edited to add: the seller doesn't exactly have stellar feedback either. I'm guessing all those negs were from people who ripped him off too. Here's his response to one buyer who left him a neg:

"Here is the reason abortion should always be legal. Imagine hatching this creep."

[Peter_Spaeth]

Your focus is on the seller, mine is on whether SGC made a mistake here. I know it is sacrilege to suggest that on this board, but from the description anyhow (not having seen the card) that does not sound like a paper crack to me.

[calvindog]

Yes, the description provided by a mentally imbalanced seller who is clearly motivated to trash SGC and provide false info.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Yes, the description provided by a mentally imbalanced seller who is clearly motivated to trash SGC and provide false info.

Let he who is without bias cast the first stone.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Let he who is without bias cast the first stone.

Agreed; so I guess that means both of us should stop posting on this thread.

[alanu]

It almost sounds like this buyer knows how bad the corner was popped, because it was done while he was trimming the card.

[teetwoohsix]

My guess is that somewhere along the line the corner of this card got pinched in something.It may appear to have been re-attached,but maybe it's as simple as that-it may have been pinched in something.I'm just guessing,of course.

As far as the card being a little short,it doesn't always mean it's been trimmed,right?From what I've learned,these T206 cards can be slightly shorter or longer than the standard size (1 7/16" X 2 5/8")..........

SGC graded it,,,then this seller re-submitted it,and SGC stood behind their original grade after reviewing the card a second time-I would think they would scrutinize the card a little harder the second time around?

I think the card is a well deserved SGC 60.

Sincerely,Clayton

[nolemmings]

Seller discloses what he believes to be an alteration and there is no focus on the merits of the claim--instead he is called mentally imbalanced. Better I guess if he would just pass the buck and let the next poor schlep deal with the card.

Seller is asking what he paid for the card, and what was one increment more than some other bidder was willing to pay in a prior auction. The card, if unaltered, supports the price. If altered, is does not. If altered, it should be graded "A", or, if the alteration is removed, it might grade 3. Either way, it drops as much as a grand in value.

It appears seller was unable to obtain a refund from his auctioneer, and unable to get compensation from SGC. He is unhappy about that. I would be too. So he tries to get his money back, and states his observations about what he perceives to be a flawed card. Is this designed to leverage some relief? Maybe. Is it wrong? No. Frankly, I'm not sure I would not have done the exact same thing.

If there is no alteration and seller is wrong on that point, the next buyer will get a decent deal on a great card after full disclosure, and the market is unharmed. If the seller is right and kept his mouth shut, another bad card gets passed along through the hobby like the "Old Maid" in the children's card game. Auctioneer and SGC are apparently willing to stand behind their reputations on the card. Seller apparently is also. Time will tell.

[Ladder7]

I've seen similar circumferential cracks where the fibers weren't completely severed. Of course they were all beaters.

Trimmed?.. I just assume all high-grade prewar is trimmed