T206's,who do you consider them to be?

[terjung]

I'd be far more inclined to think that the Sporting Life (W600) got the image right since it matches the 1902 Horner composite. The Type 2 mount for the W600 is also consistent with the Wright's tenure in Cleveland (1902-1903). So, given that those two "dateable" issues show him, I'd think that the W600 and Horner composite are far more likely to show the Cleveland pitcher correctly - especially since the team composite would receive high scrutiny.

The T206 looks like it is an error showing the Cleveland Blues pitcher from 1902-3 instead of the 1909 minor leaguer from Toledo. I'd be willing to wager that the Baseball Reference page just got the image wrong (probably taking the lead from the incorrect T206).

[z28jd]

Originally Posted by terjung

I'd be far more inclined to think that the Sporting Life (W600) got the image right since it matches the 1902 Horner composite. The Type 2 mount for the W600 is also consistent with the Wright's tenure in Cleveland (1902-1903). So, given that those two "dateable" issues show him, I'd think that the W600 and Horner composite are far more likely to show the Cleveland pitcher correctly - especially since the team composite would receive high scrutiny.

The T206 looks like it is an error showing the Cleveland Blues pitcher from 1902-3 instead of the 1909 minor leaguer from Toledo. I'd be willing to wager that the Baseball Reference page just got the image wrong (probably taking the lead from the incorrect T206).

This is likely right since most t206's were from previous Horner photos and also the fact that Lucky Wright was also a redhead,the picture on the Sporting Life card clearly shows someone with dark hair

[tjb1952tjb]

Then who is this photo?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...righge02.shtml

[rhettyeakley]

Colgan's has several similar tales...



Obviously, all three cards depict Tim Jordan BUT the card with Atlanta is intending to depict Otto "Dutch" Jordan (T206 Southern Leaguer)



The Colgan's people were intending to depict Toronto Manager (and HOFer) Joe Kelley but instead they got Newark Manager Jack Kelly's image on there.



Obviously, both cards depict the New York Giants' Red Murray BUT the St. Paul player was intended to be James Murray



In this case the player for Atlanta correctly pictures and lists the correct team for Sid Smith (T206 Southern Leaguer). Unfortunately they reused the same image to depict George "Heinie" Smith who was with Buffalo, when George later went to Montreal they re-issued him with a correct photo on his new card, thus the Montreal card is that of George and depicts the correct player.



Perhaps the biggest screw up was with "Ryan, St. Paul". The St. Paul players name was Jack "Gulfport" Ryan but the manufacturers used a 1902 photo of the old time ballplayer Jimmy Ryan (the N172 Old Judge player, and the same image on his Breisch-Williams card). Thus, is this a Jimmy Ryan card? a Jack Ryan card? or perhaps a little of both?

[Bridwell]

Great info on Art Kruger. My standard catalog shows the T206 as Otto Kruger but I believe now that they have made an error. The error was easy to make, given that the picture on the card was adapted from a photo of Otto Krueger. Furthermore, both men's given first name was Arthur.

The catalog should say that the T206 card is of Art Kruger was played on Columbus in 1908-09. Note the spelling of the last name without the 'e' on the card. If the card was intended to be a card of Art Kruger, it should be listed in the catalog as such. Even though the designers of the card incorrectly created the picture from artwork of Otto, it is still a card of Art Kruger. Good find!

[mrvster]

Johnny!!

Great thread!!!

[Runscott]

Here's a thread containing previous insight into the Kruger T206 card. Frank's discovery of a photo with what looks to be family (or friend) confirmation on the back, kind of seals the deal.

John - please create some pages for me to add/link to my website, for other T206 players such as Wright. I would love to gather all of this research that has been done, but counting on the creators to point me to it (and give their permission). Thanks!