Coaches corner issues disclaimer

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by travrosty

i was just pointing out that they were STARTING to go after the problem authenticators, just like people wanted them to.

No they aren't...if you ever see them question a Morales, Ted Taylor or Priddy cert then you can say they are STARTING...they are merely taking a dig at the guy who gets it right more often than not. If they were STARTING they'd start with the guys who get it wrong 99.9% of the time.

[GrayGhost]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

no they aren't...if you ever see them question a morales, ted taylor or priddy cert then you can say they are starting...they are merely taking a dig at the guy who gets it right more often than not. If they were starting they'd start with the guys who get it wrong 99.9% of the time.

+100

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

No they aren't...if you ever see them question a Morales, Ted Taylor or Priddy cert then you can say they are STARTING...they are merely taking a dig at the guy who gets it right more often than not. If they were STARTING they'd start with the guys who get it wrong 99.9% of the time.

This is so obvious, it seems a waste of time to even be debating it. Gee, let's go after the guys who are right 99% instead of the guys that are wrong 99% (with intent to deceive).

Rather than quibble over obvious topics, I would be more curious to know the motivation and origins of Travis' vendetta against Spence and PSA. At one time, they must have rejected a piece or two that were near and dear to his heart.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by perezfan

This is so obvious, it seems a waste of time to even be debating it. Gee, let's go after the guys who are right 99% instead of the guys that are wrong 99% (with intent to deceive).

Rather than quibble over obvious topics, I would be more curious to know the motivation and origins of Travis' vendetta against Spence and PSA. At one time, they must have rejected a piece or two that were near and dear to his heart.

I would take major issue with the "99% right" statement but I think Travis' anger is directed at the TPA's because they allege to have knowledge of boxing autographs and in reality they do not. They apparently have made many, many mistakes, one of which actually went to court, where the TPA was proven to be wrong.
Boxing in general is what is near and dear to Travis' heart.

[David Atkatz]

I think we should be calling a spade a spade. Morales et. al. don't "get it wrong" 99.9% of the time. On the contrary. They know full well what they are certing is garbage. They play the same role with today's forgers as the J. DiMaggio Co. played for Marino. They lie.

They are not authenticators. They are thieves.

That leaves JSA and PSA. And they are nowhere near being the experts they claim to be.

[thenavarro]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

I think we should be calling a spade a spade. Morales et. al. don't "get it wrong" 99.9% of the time. On the contrary. They know full well what they are certing is garbage. They play the same role with today's forgers as the J. DiMaggio Co. played for Marino. They lie.

They are not authenticators. They are thieves.

That leaves JSA and PSA. And they are nowhere near being the experts they claim to be.

Very good post.

[GrayGhost]

WE KNOW they aren't perfect, or nowhere near the experts. But, how many times do we NEED TO HEAR IT?

[David Atkatz]

Are you having trouble with your eyesight, Scott?

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

I think we should be calling a spade a spade. Morales et. al. don't "get it wrong" 99.9% of the time. On the contrary. They know full well what they are certing is garbage. They play the same role with today's forgers as the J. DiMaggio Co. played for Marino. They lie.

They are not authenticators. They are thieves.

That leaves JSA and PSA. And they are nowhere near being the experts they claim to be.

david, yes

people want to lump both issues together, and they are separate issues.


we know pro wrestling is fake. but when real freestyle olympic wrestling is having a scandal, for someone to come and say "why are you focusing on that when all of the this pro wrestling is fake and needs to be focused on first."

Well, there is a segment of society that believes pro wrestling is real no matter how many times you shout it is fake. the rest of us figured it out a long time ago.

but when the legitimate wrestling world is wrestling with a scandal, why drop it and tell people that pro wrestling is fake, and the washington generals arent really trying hard to stop the globetrotters? someone else can do that.

I am trying to get the legitimate wrestling to reform its ways, but to drop it and go after the pro wrestling circuit doesnt get anything done to achieve those goals.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by travrosty

david, yes

people want to lump both issues together, and they are separate issues.


we know pro wrestling is fake. but when real freestyle olympic wrestling is having a scandal, for someone to come and say "why are you focusing on that when all of the this pro wrestling is fake and needs to be focused on first."

Well, there is a segment of society that believes pro wrestling is real no matter how many times you shout it is fake. the rest of us figured it out a long time ago.

but when the legitimate wrestling world is wrestling with a scandal, why drop it and tell people that pro wrestling is fake, and the washington generals arent really trying hard to stop the globetrotters? someone else can do that.

I am trying to get the legitimate wrestling to reform its ways, but to drop it and go after the pro wrestling circuit doesnt get anything done to achieve those goals.

Then why did you say that what CC did was a "Start"? Their intention is not to shed light on the bad aspects of ABC certification companies..it was an attempt to deflect from the joke that is their own certification companies of choice. No whistle blowing, no "Starting"...more like Baghdad Bob screaming "ALL IS WELL!!"

[Wymers Auction]

Chris I see your posts on youtube once in awhile and a part of me applauds what you do and then the the other part makes my hair stand on end. You never tell why these are forgeries ever. Never mentioning the wrong slant, letter sizing, speed, or anything. Believe me I do not like CC more than anyone else, but put your money where your mouth is so to speak and explain why those items are so terrible. I know this is reading like a personal attack, but that really is not my intention. I think your videos would be more effective with greater informational substance instead of ranting. I am not a forsenic expert guaranteed or nor will I pretend to be. Another thing is CC is not the only kid on the forger's block. Check this stuff out http://proxibid.com/asp/Catalog.asp?aid=47970

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

I think we should be calling a spade a spade. Morales et. al. don't "get it wrong" 99.9% of the time. On the contrary. They know full well what they are certing is garbage. They play the same role with today's forgers as the J. DiMaggio Co. played for Marino. They lie.

They are not authenticators. They are thieves.

That leaves JSA and PSA. And they are nowhere near being the experts they claim to be.

I agree, excellent post, and surprisingly, nobody seems to have come out and said it so bluntly before. How about we all stop calling Morales, TTA, Max, etc. "authenticators" from now on? They are part of a scamming system that is merrily chugging along.

Ken

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

No they aren't...if you ever see them question a Morales, Ted Taylor or Priddy cert then you can say they are STARTING...they are merely taking a dig at the guy who gets it right more often than not. If they were STARTING they'd start with the guys who get it wrong 99.9% of the time.

Right you are Dan.
If they ever take a dig at their regular authenticators, I am gonna throw one big NYC party and all are invited.
Everyone on here knows I too have issues with the alphabet guys, but it is the height of hypocrisy to single out one of them and not even whisper about their own regulars.