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ESPN: Famous Honus Wagner card sells for record $2.35M
Posted By: Dan Bretta
I think uncut sheets will sell for less than the cards combined in similar condition because of the PSA registry collectors - they don't want sheets they want pristine cards. If there was a way to cut the cards that they would be undetected and placed into slabs you would probably see the prices for sheets going higher. - I do realize that cards can be cut by machine, but I'm guessing if a highly publicized goudey sheet with a Lajoie were to be sold by Masto or somesuch then a few weeks later a PSA 9 Lajoie shows up there's going to be some questions....and now I'm just rambling. |
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ESPN: Famous Honus Wagner card sells for record $2.35M
Posted By: peter chao
Guys, |
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ESPN: Famous Honus Wagner card sells for record $2.35M
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
LEON referred to the veterans in the hobby, who well know the history of this Wagner card. |
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ESPN: Famous Honus Wagner card sells for record $2.35M
Posted By: warshawlaw
The card had acquired the most valuable thing in the world for non-essential items: fame. The card isn't as rare as many others and it may even be cut down from a sheet. Guess what: no one who could buy it cares! The card is the best known card in the world and that alone will drive its price. Perhaps some day the rich men who buy cards like this will collectively tire of puffing out their...chests and saying they own the #1 card in the world, but I don't see that happening. If rich men with toys were rationally analyzing their purchases, they wouldn't buy T206 Wagners, Picasso paintings, Ferraris, or Anna Nicole Smiths, now would they? The motives for owning a rare and expensive toy are non-financial; the cash is secondary. Hell, the seller could have tripled his money in the last five years in any of a dozen hot real estate markets, but he wouldn't make the news and be known as the man who owned the best toy ever. |
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ESPN: Famous Honus Wagner card sells for record $2.35M
Posted By: J Levine
Josh, |
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ESPN: Famous Honus Wagner card sells for record $2.35M
Posted By: T206Collector
...Bill Heitman's entry in the link posted above, I sat back once again, safe in the knowledge that all of my T206 cards are SGC graded and not a single one lingers in a PSA holder. |
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ESPN: Famous Honus Wagner card sells for record $2.35M
Posted By: barrysloate
Good analysis Adam. Ego is the whole ballgame here and you're right, they're just toys to own for awhile and then discard. Some joy of ownership along the way for sure, but you still hit the bullseye. |
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ESPN: Famous Honus Wagner card sells for record $2.35M
Posted By: davidcycleback
Duly note that in the State of California, the seller of an item like this is required to include paper document guaranteeing the authenticity and stating any known alterations or restorations. The new owner has a period of time to return the item if the statements proves not to be true, and the original seller could be fined if it is shown he or she broke this law. |
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ESPN: Famous Honus Wagner card sells for record $2.35M
Posted By: MVSNYC
http://www.scpauctions.com/ |
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ESPN: Famous Honus Wagner card sells for record $2.35M
Posted By: Neal Kane
<<To all of those who have their collections in PSA, I'm sure you have pently of rationalizations for why stuff like this doesn't matter. I'm just glad I don't have to rationalize.>> |
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ESPN: Famous Honus Wagner card sells for record $2.35M
Posted By: T206Collector
...that "other grading companies have a pretty close percentage to what is over/under graded, as well as altered material that somehow got slabbed," only SGC provides you with the buy back guarantee. To me, that is the key to purchasing graded cards. |
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ESPN: Famous Honus Wagner card sells for record $2.35M
Posted By: peter chao
Guys, |
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ESPN: Famous Honus Wagner card sells for record $2.35M
Posted By: Scott Elkins
I have been contacted by several people wanting to know more about the Wagner card. If you do, feel free to e-mail me. I have written down what I know and am not typing it again, but will forward it to anyone in an e-mail that wants to know. E-mail me at tycobb@adelphia.net. Don't get worried if I don't respond until later tonight, as I have a ton of things to finish doing for the day. |
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ESPN: Famous Honus Wagner card sells for record $2.35M
Posted By: Joe Pelaez
Quote by T206C. |
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ESPN: Famous Honus Wagner card sells for record $2.35M
Posted By: peter chao
Joe, |
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ESPN: Famous Honus Wagner card sells for record $2.35M
Posted By: Jay
I agree Peter. I have less than 100 cards in my collection (excluding 1 high grade 1950's set). I sold everything else for these reasons. |
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ESPN: Famous Honus Wagner card sells for record $2.35M
Posted By: Alan
My guess is that the buyer could be Gary Cypress. |
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ESPN: Famous Honus Wagner card sells for record $2.35M
Posted By: Myron
What's up with all the secrecy regarding the history of this card? It makes me think someone's got something to hide. |
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ESPN: Famous Honus Wagner card sells for record $2.35M
Posted By: MikeU
"Since "alot" of folks believe this card to be trimmed...IF it were sent to SGC to crossover, would SGC slab it nrmt as well....or give it an authentic label? Would the prestige of the card be too overbearing to allow SGC to just stick it as authentic?" |
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ESPN: Famous Honus Wagner card sells for record $2.35M
Posted By: MikeU
"T206C. I'm surprised you said that. |
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ESPN: Famous Honus Wagner card sells for record $2.35M
Posted By: jay behrens
SGC has had one major screw up and did the right thing when it was exposed. PSA has a litany of major screw ups and refuses to admit to their mistakes. Dan McKee can testify to the fact that it takes a law suit in order to get any money out of PSA when they screw up. |
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ESPN: Famous Honus Wagner card sells for record $2.35M
Posted By: Joe Pelaez
I think you missed my point completely. |
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ESPN: Famous Honus Wagner card sells for record $2.35M
Posted By: Adam J. Baxter
"There are many people...as well as quite a few on this board that believe the card is trimmed." |
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ESPN: Famous Honus Wagner card sells for record $2.35M
Posted By: davidcycleback
For many hobbyists the rule of thumb is that someone who spends $2.35 million on a |
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ESPN: Famous Honus Wagner card sells for record $2.35M
Posted By: JimCrandell
My guess is Dreier bought it. |
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ESPN: Famous Honus Wagner card sells for record $2.35M
Posted By: Richard
I wonder how this sale will impact the prices of other Wagner cards like E90-2, E103, E107, etc. What is the opinion on this? |
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ESPN: Famous Honus Wagner card sells for record $2.35M
Posted By: Dave
This wouyld be a $5 million card minimum if it were widely viewed as a legit psa 8. |
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ESPN: Famous Honus Wagner card sells for record $2.35M
Posted By: T206Collector
Two points: |
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ESPN: Famous Honus Wagner card sells for record $2.35M
Posted By: Joe Pelaez
"Absolutely not. SGC are human, but willing to acknowledge their humanity and make it right with their buy-back guarantee." |
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ESPN: Famous Honus Wagner card sells for record $2.35M
Posted By: JimCrandell
So Mr. Dreier is not the buyer. Bad guess. But somehow SCP may be involved I hear. Interesting. |
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ESPN: Famous Honus Wagner card sells for record $2.35M
Posted By: peter chao
Jim, |
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ESPN: Famous Honus Wagner card sells for record $2.35M
Posted By: peter chao
Guys, |
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