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Too Good To Be True?
Posted By: Andy Baran
What do you guys think? Familiar Story...... |
#2
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Too Good To Be True?
Posted By: jay behrens
pretty amazing group if they are legit, but several of them look very wrong. But then again, I've handles maybe 100 OJs in my time. |
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Too Good To Be True?
Posted By: scott (runscott)
Easiest identifier for me is the clipped corners. They should have cut them slowly to give a slightly rounded appearance, then sanded with fine-grain sandpaper. Someone else's turn... |
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Too Good To Be True?
Posted By: scott (runscott)
notice the shades (they changed their handle recently), the location (Ohio Kentucky border), and ... the capper... a very "Tuttleian" auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1843280757 |
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Too Good To Be True?
Posted By: Bill Cornell
This is the same person who has been selling on eBay recently as both "bbluegrassboy" and "atticfind11" (one of her many listings can be found here: http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/auction/68045317?aucview=closed). The descriptions from this eBay auction and the Yahoo auctions are nearly identical when you see the wording, especially the "as/is...no returns...etc." |
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Too Good To Be True?
Posted By: leon
It's hard to believe some of these dumba**** are really wanting their fakes by their feedback comments....unreal....regards all |
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Too Good To Be True?
Posted By: Julie Vognar
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#8
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Too Good To Be True?
Posted By: Julie Vognar
"granddaughterno1" has done nothing but buy for the last few months, and always pays on time. "bluegrassboy" and (whatever the other ione is) aren't selling anything at the moment. Oh, granddaughter buys mainly antique pocket watches. Nary a card... |
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Too Good To Be True?
Posted By: brian parker
bbluegrassboy was the same dealer I pointed out on a previous thread in June (titled Yahoo!) that was suspiciously selling large lots of cards on Yahoo, consisting almost entirely of vintage HOF players, with varying stories about how they came into their possession. Here is the link again to this seller's closed auctions--check out how high some of these lots went for. |
#10
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Too Good To Be True?
Posted By: Bill Cornell
Julie- |
#11
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Too Good To Be True?
Posted By: B. Hodes
These cards looked kosher to me at first and I try not to consider myself an easy mark .. |
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Too Good To Be True?
Posted By: Brueso
with no feedback. Does this bidder's name tell the story? |
#13
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Too Good To Be True?
Posted By: Robert
This person's recent purchases on Ebay include old pocketwatches that look very similar to the ones being sold on the Yahoo auctions along with the repro cards. |
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Too Good To Be True?
Posted By: scott (runscott)
with the clipped corners. Also, there is sometimes "white" paper exposed near the edges. Finally, the "creator" or "evil-doer" likes to bend the cards in two, leaving a very odd crease indicative of bending and then re-straightening multiple layers that are not bound together as well as actual vintage cards. |
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Too Good To Be True?
Posted By: Dan Mathewson
Several retractions are showing up on this auction, so I guess that's good. Maybe more will follow. I jsut sent the seller this message, not that it will likely make a difference: |
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Too Good To Be True?
Posted By: Tom
'Guess it's safe to say you don't go to church on Sunday...........' |
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Too Good To Be True?
Posted By: Robert
This eBay seller says she is on the border with Kentucky, and interestingly Friendship, Ohio (home of Yahoo's bluegrassboy and attic find) is also close to the Kentucky border...what a coincidence! |
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Too Good To Be True?
Posted By: Dan Mathewson
Check it out now, there are more retractions than there are remaining bids. I hope everyone there notices that these are bogus... |
#19
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Too Good To Be True?
Posted By: Julie Vognar
someone is still bidding over $600 on both auctions. Can't win them all! |
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Too Good To Be True?
Posted By: Brian C Daniels
used the Irish/Italian handle of " Irish~Pasta " |
#21
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Too Good To Be True?
Posted By: Dan Mathewson
It keeps whittling down. Now down to $440... |
#22
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Too Good To Be True?
Posted By: Dan Mathewson
Look at what our mysterious seller "grandaughterno1" just won/purchased a month ago... Shades of things to come... |
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Too Good To Be True?
Posted By: Jay Miller
With the caveat that it is very difficult to tell that much from a scan, and neglecting for a second the comments made on the board, looking at these scans for the first time I would have said that there is a decent chance that the cards are rebacked but genuine (not reprints). The white that you folks are seeing and the clipped edges are all signs of rebacking. However, the color of the cards, and more importantly, the variation in the color of the cards, all seems consistent with genuine pictures. I have never seen reprinted Old Judge with good color and these seem to have it. For someone in the Midwest it might be worth buying the lot and driving down to pay when you pick it up and inspect it. |
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Too Good To Be True?
Posted By: scott (runscott)
In experimenting with copying other albumen photos, to make well-identified repros, I have found that it is very easy to match the colors and the paper. If anyone is interested in how to do it, email me, but I don't feel like giving the thieves any additional tips. |
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Too Good To Be True?
Posted By: Jay Miller
I'll take your word for it Scott. I have never tried to do it. However, doesn't that beg the question as to where the seller got the originals to make the copies from, or can you do it off good scans? The sellers name and address is on the lot. Does anyone live near her so that someone could see who this person is and what the cards look like in person? |
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Too Good To Be True?
Posted By: Bill Cornell
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1843233155 |
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Too Good To Be True?
Posted By: brian parker
It appears our dishonest seller friend has cancelled both of those auctions. My guess is that they will offer each lot to the one of the highest bidders and thus keep their feedback intact. |
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Too Good To Be True?
Posted By: scott (runscott)
Those are the ones being used by the $9.99 c.d.-seller. I already verified this by checking on the scans in his ebay posting. |
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Too Good To Be True?
Posted By: scott (runscott)
I've never attempted to make a completely realistic forgery, other than a forged color certificate I sent to David Rudd as a test (yes, he passed, despite my best effort!). I packed it up as if it were real and shipped to David, who thanked me for sending a nice fake. |
#30
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Too Good To Be True?
Posted By: sjmcards
Wouldn't you like to know how many of your own made offers on these cards by email?? |
#31
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Too Good To Be True?
Posted By: Bill Cornell
Lemme see - sjmcards@yahoo.com... coincidentally the same initials as Selma Martin and Sheanna Mershon. By the way, she's using a Yahoo email account coming from an AOL IP address. Anyone can look this up on http://www.samspade.org. |
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Too Good To Be True?
Posted By: Elliot
Now that we know that you read this board, I guess you can't use the "I don't know if they're real or fake" approach on your listings. The cards are FAKE, FAKE, FAKE. |
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Too Good To Be True?
Posted By: MW
And besides the cards being FAKE, FAKE, FAKE, the seller is a FRAUD, FRAUD, FRAUD. |
#34
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Too Good To Be True?
Posted By: scott (runscott)
...all you had to do was make more of them. |
#35
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Too Good To Be True?
Posted By: Dan Mathewson
It won't matter if they read our board or not, Elliot. SJM Cards obviously has no conscience, no need for honesty or integrity. They're out to use eBay as a vehicle to screw people over and that's it. They obviously can't make an honest living. |
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Too Good To Be True?
Posted By: sultan
This person SJM has been kicked of eBay many times. Maybe you remember these names. Mikesr11---Shiloh333--eguarantee. Much discussion was made of these ID's on the old Fullcount board. |
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