Baseball Card corruption

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Posted By: marshall barkman

I know what i want to be when i grow up. A Network 54 Moderator. Or perhaps a parking meter attendant. I have not decided which.

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

and I thought I was "to (sic) cool for school".

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Posted By: J Levine

Has anyone actually seen a card Marshall claims to own? After all this is a board about vintage baseball cards...

Joshua

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Posted By: marshall barkman

Uhhh Josh perhaps just scroll up and you can see several cards that i own. It is why this post was started. To clear up another matter i am not bashing the hobby. I am bashing the manipulative manner in which cards are graded and that Pro Scam is leading the charge. I am quite sure every dealer worth his salt has seen a card in a Pro Scam holder that is so over or under graded that it raises concern about the legitamacy in the grading process. Also if you scroll up Josh you will see a post from a gentleman who is a member of this board, i sold a entire set of American Beauties to him and read what he thinks about their condition. Only 11 people on the Pro Scam set registry have a full set of the Beauties and now he will make the 12th.



Of course i BRING THE NOISE and own the cards i speak of kid!

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Posted By: Steve F

Mr Levine (below) is correct. The guy just craves attention any way he can get it, good or bad.

Insult removed

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Posted By: J Levine

Vintage baseball cards....please?

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Posted By: marshall barkman

Just sold 250 T-206's for mad cash pards. Not craving attention just answering back to remarks. Here is what i like about this board so much, people post things and make all kinds of implications and assumptions just trying to play games and then when individuals such as myself produce the goods they just go away kinda go away like Penn State did in the Rose Bowl. BRING THE NOISE. Over 72 in tonight's game it is gonna be a track meet.

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Posted By: JimCrandell

I would just settle for talking like a human being.

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Posted By: J Levine

Man, I just cannot believe the corruption in golf and music industry today. I just can't get a fair shake. I sent my demo tapes to the top industry guys but if you do not belong to a big label or know someone who is in the industry they just give you the worst grades on your music even though you know it should have been better. All my experience, friends, and mom and dad told me so...They also told me I was the best! I opened for a big artist (no name because he is too big and I don't want to give out any info on him) but it just doesn't matter. They are all corrupt and scumbags and just are not fair. Not even the PGA is legit anymore (heck, The Pro Griping Association). Pro Griping Association refs are just not giving me props. Heck, I have one of the best games around but my scorecard gets no love. They are all in collusion with each other. The refs hate me because I am not a big time PRO. Heck, I just shot a 62 at Pebble Beach but do I get any kind of love. You can ask the big PRO that I just played with but I can't give you his name to protect privacy. Just not fair. I guess I will go take out all my angst on the computer now...



PS Just because you say something does not make it true...

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Posted By: Joann

Geez Josh. Guess you'll just have to go back to being a decent person and collecting baseball cards. Pard.

J

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Posted By: Jim VB

Interesting thread from the non-sports side.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/526604/thread/1231028469/last-1231280992/American+Beauties+from+Display+-+-+-+-+-#bottom

According to a few guys, who know more about non-sports cards than I ever will, there is strong speculation that these cards, and the board they were stapled to, may be reprints! Mark Finn posted a real advertising board. The color is different. The type font is different. The cellophane on the packages is different. Even the cards look slightly different.


What a waste of time.

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

Surely a large batch of reprints would never get by Pro Scam Alliance would they?

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Posted By: Anthony S.

B R I N G T H E R E P R I N T S.

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Posted By: boxingcardman

Uh, bring me something to be sick in...

Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Marshall, ironically you'll now have to rely upon Pro Scam Alliance's expertise in spotting reprints.

For what it's worth, however, I don't think the cards are reprints.

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Posted By: marshall barkman

The only thing i have to do is die. I do not have to rely on anyone or anything to enjoy my life. That being said the number 1 first and foremost authority on American Beauties offered five figures for the board. Second the cards were produced during a war and the last time i checked our national colors are red,white and blue. Some of the boards were blue and some were red. I have handled several beauties and know the difference in re-pop material and also real. Let me also state that i own a Abraham Lincoln signed letter and other valueable paper goods so i understand the age of paper well.

One of my friends owns a auction house and their expertise is paper. The auction house is comparable to Sotheby's and from this person i have learned an immense amount of knowledge in judging paper and it's age.

Did you MF's doubt that i would BRING THE NOISE. Halftime score 24-13 and the track meet is on towards the over.

In regards to J. Levine you Sonny Liston wannabe. Why don't you produce something. Let's see some of the big cards you have sent to auction. Anyone can posts scans. I predicted that i owned some of the finest examples of Southern Leaguers on the planet and when the cards got graded kid they were just that. The Harry Bay PSA 6 sold for 1800 which is just sick and i mean sick. The best quote of the planet was by Cassius Clay when he knocked out Liston and said "I'm a bad man"

NOW BRING THE NOISE

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Posted By: Bill Cornell

Personally, I refuse to bring the noise, especially when shoeless trolls demand that I do.

Bill

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

I don't know kid your lock of over 72 looks like a dog right now. Unless that track meet gets you 29 points in the fourth quarter you won't be able to bring the noise.

Edited to add: and then like 3 seconds later Tulsa scores again. I think the noise is being brought.
Edited to add: More noise brought: Tulsa scored again.

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Posted By: marshall barkman

Jeff...i bet both hands on Tulsa because if you look at the line Ball State was actually a 2 1/2 favorite from the outset and by kickoff i had to lay 3, probably wise guy money or some inside info leeked because that type of swing is monstrous. I loved the over but this monsoon has destroyed my track meet. Carl Lewis would probably run a 13 second 100 yd dash on this field (-: The over is in trouble.

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Posted By: Al C.risafulli

"That being said the number 1 first and foremost authority on American Beauties offered five figures for the board."

So you turned down a five figure offer and tore up the board, in hopes you'd be able to make more money selling low-pop 10s. PSA didn't give you the grades you want, so you come here with your sour grapes.

That's rich.

Bring the whine.

-Al

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Posted By: J Levine

"The only thing i have to do is die. I do not have to rely on anyone or anything to enjoy my life. That being said the number 1 first and foremost authority on American Beauties offered five figures for the board. Second the cards were produced during a war and the last time i checked our national colors are red,white and blue. Some of the boards were blue and some were red. I have handled several beauties and know the difference in re-pop material and also real. Let me also state that i own a Abraham Lincoln signed letter and other valueable paper goods so i understand the age of paper well.



One of my friends owns a auction house and their expertise is paper. The auction house is comparable to Sotheby's and from this person i have learned an immense amount of knowledge in judging paper and it's age.



Did you MF's doubt that i would BRING THE NOISE. Halftime score 24-13 and the track meet is on towards the over.



In regards to J. Levine you Sonny Liston wannabe. Why don't you produce something. Let's see some of the big cards you have sent to auction. Anyone can posts scans. I predicted that i owned some of the finest examples of Southern Leaguers on the planet and when the cards got graded kid they were just that. The Harry Bay PSA 6 sold for 1800 which is just sick and i mean sick. The best quote of the planet was by Cassius Clay when he knocked out Liston and said "I'm a bad man"



NOW BRING THE NOISE"



If the first two sentences are true then why complain about PSA and grading...seems you are not enjoying your life if your life consists of whining about a company that has as it's sole purpose to subjectively provide grades on cardboard. Who is the first and foremost. I respect Mark Zinn and know his credentials. Name your source and I will gladly email that person and ask if an offer was made. Just because you say you own a Lincoln does not make you a paper expert or an autograph expert. What it might mean is that you got scammed. Hope you did not buy that piece from Coach's Corner! I have friends who own auction houses too. I can name them...I can call them on the phone...Rob, Leon, Barry, and Seth...all above board and well respected. You know the name Sotheby's. I can predict that I own the finest examples of some cards as well...but without a transaction history, you have nothing but your word and sorry to say, your word does not hold water here. Show some proof. How, when and who did you sell the Bay PSA 6 to? I know of a Harry Bay PSA 6 Old Mill that could be had for $300 less than you just quoted...also makes yours not the finest example but one of at least two examples. But wait, I know someone that owns a PSA 8 Bay too... Oh, and apparently money makes you sick. Unless you can prove any of your nonsensical ramblings then just go away...last time I am posting in this thread as you are just a troll and I am done...Here is a better quote for you Marshall...



"My will has been tested, my courage has been tested, my strength has been tested. Now my patience and endurance are being tested."--Cassius Clay

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Posted By: marshall barkman

In the words of my boy Mike D "LET ME CLEAR MY THROAT". I made a bundle off Tulsa but the Monsoon hurt my chances on the over and that got me. In regards to You Mr. Levine the game is on. I hope you are ready because i am going to BRING MAJOR NOISE. I will bet you 5,000 dollars that i can produce a dealer who offered over 5 figures for the board and for your information if you would pay attention to posts i did not see the offer in my personal e-mail until after i opened the cello packs.



I will also bet Mr. Levine 5,000 cash that i can produce the auction record where the Bay sold for 1800 and the owner is probably laughing right now if he reads this because he is a major force to be reckoned with in the card industry.



What puzzles me is that when i produce the goods all the drama stops. Anyway if 5K out of your league then i will drop down to the minors and get on the bus and bet like 100 dollars on either bet. Trust me kid you are gonna feel real stupid when the info is released sooooooooooo....



YES I BROUGHT THE NOISE BABY NOW LET'S ROCK either take the bet or Shut the F#%& UP

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Posted By: Bill

Alright, this Marshall guy is outrageous. Marshall, if you really had the "goods" as you like to call it, then you would simply produce them to prove people wrong. By "betting", all you are doing is hoping that people will back down when the money is brought into the picture and then you won't have to produce anything. For someone that sits here and brags repeatedly, it's amazing that you don't produce anything. Someone that actually owns/owned or has done what you claim and brags this much would have provided proof in your first post. You've exposed yourself as a fraud. Move on.



Change your socks, drink water, and drive on.

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Posted By: marshall barkman

It's hard for me to have fun with you Al because you don't read all the posts. I'm sure you are a cool guy but seriously i'm just having a good time so don't take things to heart. Again i did not get the dealers e-mail in time or i would have sold him the board. I posted the board on both this page and the non-sports and got little response. I thought oh well American Beauties must not be collected that much and opened the loose pack that had come off the board and there were three middle cards that were unreal. I decided at that point to crack open another because the card i was trying to pull was "There She Blows" because that is the key card to the set.



Once there were no doubles i knew there was a sequence to the board and since there are 24 cards in the set i knew the board would yield 3 complete sets. Of course i am gonna keep cracking. Bro at the Chicago Sun Times show in 2004 i rolled up to the Beckett booth after i sold the first Eli Manning BGS 10 for sick cash and cracked 4 cases of Topps Pristine for kicks. I mean i was raising serious hell and the boys from Beckett had my CD cranked LOUD. BRING THE NOISE.



I love opening cards is my point so why wouldn't i open the cello packs?

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Posted By: leon

You are one of these new, shiny-card collectors aren't you? (not that there is anything wrong with that).. Opening those packs probably got your testosterone going but I never could see it. I would rather go to Vegas for pure gambling...but to each their own. Keep it civil and all is cool, dude...

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

"in 2004 i rolled up to the Beckett booth after i sold the first Eli Manning BGS 10 for sick cash and cracked 4 cases of Topps Pristine for kicks"

WHOA! Marshall buddy, that's too much NOISE for just one post.

Turn it down a little for us old guys.

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Posted By: marshall barkman

Ok here is the deal Bill. Take the bet. Don't be shy. If i'm a fraud you will get paid. Believe me bro you will lose. I will produce the auction record and also auction company. Many people who are remaining quite on this site know me and bought my cards at the auction and then auctioned them themselves. I will gladly send 1000 dollars to Leon to hold and you do the same. Then when he has the money i will scan the auction receipt and post it for all to see. I will also then post the name of the dealer who offered 5 figures and he is a straight shooter and well respected, furthermore he dominates the high end market so there will be no doubt that he def made the offer because he is a no bs kinda guy. It's that simple call me out, call me anything you like and if you are so sure of yourself then pool the bet.

Here is a plan- Get Bretta,Levine, and any other playa hater on this board to pool together the 1000 dollars and we have a game. I'll glady post the auction receipt and also the check that was wrote to me for 28,000 ummmmm that's 28k pards not 28 dollars. Your in the big leagues now kid so don't ever call me a fraud because i will roll over top of you like Tulsa plowed through that false favorite Ball State. Is that the fans i hear?

As expected the fans are on their feet and what is the chant i hear?

BRING THE NOISE BRING THE NOISE BRING THE NOISE oh hellll yeah!

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Posted By: marshall barkman

I'm just having fun bro. No hard feelings. Out of the four cases though i pulled some sick cards. What a great year for rookies. The horrible part of the show for me is that i actually put down the box that a Ruth auto jersey was pulled. I literally laid on the floor until a guy who shall remain nameless picked me up. We were laughing so hard because he begged me to buy the box and i was like man screw Legendary cuts. I had Babe Ruth nightmares for weeks LOL.

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Posted By: Al C.risafulli

Marshall:

Ah. Never mind.

One thing for sure: never in my life have I ever cared enough to ask this question, but can anybody tell me - when does golf season start?



-Al

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Posted By: hrbaker

"One thing for sure: never in my life have I ever cared enough to ask this question, but can anybody tell me - when does golf season start?"

That was funny! Oh, and BRING DA NOIZE!

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Posted By: marshall barkman

If you go to my website even Donald Trump's camp got pissed at me. At the award ceremonies he threw for all us players it was a suit and tie only. Man come on Donald loosen up. I just shot 68 and won first stage qualifying in Tampa, rushed up to South Carolina and shot 72-73 to miss the cut by 1 and then flew to his tournament in the Canaan islands by charter all with two cracked ribs. I was lucky to be standing and in so much pain that just breathing killed me so scram with the suit request.

I told my agent man dude i'm sorry but all i have is jeans and i hate suits anyway so i'm gonna be myself and just roll period. Even though the big D was pissed if you look at the gallery pic in my website the hilarious thing is that DT's bodyguard requested a CD and i signed one for him and he is holding it in the photo. Of course i brought the NOISE.

By the way i will be a good sport. Even though technically i cannot send out copies of the disc i'll throw caution to the wind. The first 5 people to e-mail me with their address will get a CD and please no hecklers e-mail me.
Trust me the guitars will BRING MAJOR NOISE BABY. Leon i had all my friends in stiches with your saturday night live post, all my boys are talking about it in Vegas. That was the best post all year. I was crying watching my man play the cowbell (-:

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Posted By: Bill

So, in a long overdrawn post, you pretty much told me that you don't have the proof and continue to press for the bet. Got it.

Change your socks, drink water, and drive on.

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Posted By: marshall barkman

There happens to be a set of circumstances that has taken place that will not allow me to take the bet Al.I know you guys don't believe me but my e-mail has been flooded and their is a set of circumstance going on that will not allow me to bet. Here is what i will do, if Leon e-mails me i will talk to him by phone and i trust he is a stand up guy because that is my gut feeling. He can then understand why i cannot accept the bet with what i say. The only reason you and the other lads don't take the other bet is because you know where my cards were sold and how much they sold for (-: In regards to the 1800 dollar comment i'm speechless lol. I will spend 1800 on a halftime bet so get real.

Also i am not a collector of new cards. I actually own 2 Reginald Marsh works and my house is littered with antiques and 18th and 19th century items. By the way how cool is Reginald Marsh? I do not own any new cards period. What i would do is show up before the major card shows would open and then just walk the floor and grab all the mint cards i could. By the end of the sweep the tally was mind boggling.

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Posted By: marshall barkman

Have proof of what bro?

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Posted By: E, Daniel

I don't think Marshall is going to get it so there really is no point in trying to pull him up. He's all the self-absorbed lonely/needy posters from Billy to et.al all rolled into one with a mouth stuck on yammer.
One step forward on everyone's toes and two twinkle toe steps back hoping people will find his bravado bs somehow endearing enough to welcome him into the family.

Aint going to happen Marshall. Dipsticks like you just never know how to stop, even in their most sober moment. And what makes it really amusing is you have absolutely zero idea of the makeup of this board. This isn't a forum for aquarium enthusiasts or pez collectors. It's filled with people from every walk of life and every pay scale but who all understand what it takes to participate.
And it's not noise.
Or payscales.
Or any other bs.

It's about the hobby. It's about people who've spent e-frickin normous amounts of time learning and sharing knowledge you will never see the value in aquiring.
There are judges and lawyers and people who are silly wealthy on this board who are as comfortable talking cards with the bus drivers and postal workers among us as could be. Because we have respect here. A genuine respect gained from understanding life and the really important things like the health of family and friends, and the scandalous enjoyment we all giddily share around these little bits of cardboard. And we can come here and conspiratorily enjoy it with eachother.

There's nothing here for you Marshall, you're not interested in what we do here and what we share. I think you're looking for somewhere to brag and impress and this aint the joint. Every day of the week we get to look at cards that fellow collectors spend $5 to $50,000 and show freely, and enjoy them all equally.
So you're really not in our league anyway. Seriously.

Why don't you just piss off and find some shiny stuff collectors who find your stories impressive? You'll get a lot more interest elsewhere - I promise.

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Posted By: Al C.risafulli

I had deleted my post, but Daniel, as usual, is far more eloquent than I anyway. He said it much better than I had.

-Al

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Posted By: marshall barkman

E Daniel....your post reminded me of my high school chemistry teacher what a bore and she had no ass. ZZZZZZZ blah blah blah ZZZZZZZZ zinc blahhh blahh iron ore ZZZZZZZ cut open frog ZZZZZZZ. I am wondering if you went to the Jimmy Swaggart school of speech giving and are you like some evangelical wannabe? Bro if you had any clue to what i know about the members on this board you would not make silly comments. Also dude i am at a loss on this acceptance deal. You need some serious medication if you think i'm looking for acceptance from people or maybe a fender smashed over your head a few times to understand reality.

My friend i come from the playground of a few individuals that changed music forever, there was a movement from South Beach to Seattle of a select group of individuals that overthrew the music industry with Kurt Cobain at the forefront, we tore down barriers and were not afraid to BRING THE NOISE. I just did not sign a record deal hence i am more underground and really did not want anyone to own my artistic freedom, i will admit that i signed a independent record deal at the beginning of my career and had several talks with RCA records but once the band had a following i only cared about BRINGING THE NOISE . Back in the day i partied with Layne Staley,Brian Warner,Kurt Cobain and many others and took part in conversations about how music needed to change. In South Beach where my band and Marily Manson lived at the time we basically BROUGHT THE NOISE and i mean BROUGHT THE NOISE. I do not worship the devil and my music is nothing like Manson's but i respect him as a artist because he takes **** from no one and is one serious hardcore crazy individual.

Also let me state that my original post came after Bruce Dorskind raised a serious yet logical question in regards to the hobby. If you scroll to the original post i spoke of only my experience with PSA, all the usual snide remarks, critical comments, mental jabs and so on started once my post was made. There was no critical statement about any individual in my original post, what makes you sick is the fact that i fought back. I BROUGHT the MFing NOISE kid.

What makes others sick is that i am myself. I don't change or listen to anyone.

Let's have a history lesson lad. Do you really think if you took a poll of 100 people male and female from the age of 18 to 70 that a majority of them would know these names?

Sonny Liston, Neil Armstrong,Oscar Robertson, Steve Largent, Barry Sanders, Steve Carlton,Neil Diamond?

No most folks would only know a few.

Now how about this list

Muhammed Ali, Evel Knievel, Bob Dylan, Roger Clemens, Jerry Lee Lewis, Michael Jordan?

Do you know why the individuals on the first list aren't known like the second? Because they are reserved,politically correct,silent types and that is BORINGGGG not ENTERTAININNNG.

Now on the second you have upstarts, trash talkers, cousin marriers, daredevils, and system challengers. Think what you want E Daniel but bro i am not looking for any acceptance especially from a baseball message board.

I like this board because i buy cards off of it and it just cracks me up especially Bruce dorskind and his wild antics. It actually is grounding for me in a way like Leon's cowbell post which had me in stitches and my friends were in tears.

Realize i do not post here often and soon you will be back to talking about glued backs on T-206 cards and does anyone recognize this fake version of a 50 dollar card. I would rather watch cows mating as to read some of these boring posts. It has been fun and dont' get down Daniel because Judge Smails is about to invite you over to Bushwood so he can show you his new card.

Last but not least no matter what BRING THE NOISE FIGHT THE POWER THAT BE!

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Posted By: Anonymous

I just sent a card saying if I got a good grade I would send it to a certain auction house in CA ... lets see if it works

p.s. I am really not sending it to be sold .... at 23 years old I'm in it for the LONGGGGGGGG haul.

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Posted By: Anthony N.

Leon- can we please trade this jacknut for Peter Chao? At least Peter was entertaining. Even swap. Laugh out loud.

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Posted By: Sean C

I take back my previous comparison to Daniel Puder, as I now think Marshy Marh here has a far better comparison: Ed Wuncler III from The Boondocks:

Link not safe for work, or for those easily offended by foul language. Feel free to remove if it's over the line, Leon:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj12ZaCSufA

Link not safe for work, or for those easily offended by foul language. Feel free to remove if it's over the line, Leon:

Instead of babbling incoherently here, MB3, why don't you take some time to update your website or myspace page. It looks like it hasn't been updated for at least a year or so. Speaking of your sites...

Is that just a 5 song EP, or have you actually recorded a real album (I can't seem to find "Marshall 68" anywhere online, not even iTunes). Not that I'm a music critic or anything, but as a fan of metal and alternative music, well, I just hope your golf game is where you plan on making most of your $.

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Posted By: barrysloate

Marshall- I've been quiet since you've started posting but thought I would chime in here.



You say you would rather be entertaining instead of boring. But I must tell you, you are incredibly boring. And you come on this board and insult good people, turn a baseball card chatboard into a betting parlor, put everyone to sleep with your latest over/under picks in college football, and just carry on like a jackass.



Don't you have some golf balls to hit somewhere? Somehow you think you've livened up a dull place with your ever so clever quips but I think you are just an idiot. And the majority of people around here will be happy when you get tired of posting and move on. I know I will.

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Posted By: Rick McQuillan

Remember when we had the surveys at the top of the page and we could vote on certain questions? How about a new survey? We could vote Yes or No on whether or not to lock out Marshall's IP address.

Rick

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Posted By: Doug

Yeah, it's about time someone TAKES THE NOISE!!! Take it far away...

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Posted By: marshall barkman

Silly lads Trix are for kids. I started the post as a genuine concern in regards to the grading process and it's fairness. Then accusations and assumptions along with insults started being posted so i just thought no problem and slung the mud right back. In regards to your comment Barry if i am soooo boring then why is the post going on 192? You don't have to read this or respond to this post. In regards to the comments concerning my website and also myspace there is a continuing set of circumstance that is ongoing hence no updates or changes since 2006.

I have to be honest with all the clowns that think i'm a fraud. If i myself thought someone was bogus and then posted my thoughts for everyone to see about the individual the last thing i would do is back down if the guy shot back a wager. This entire thing reminds me of Tombstone and i'm dealing with about 10 Ike Clantons. You guys are judges,lawyers and have so many premo cards as i have read in the previous posts then put your money where your mouth is.

I don't care if Leon blocks my ip address and i will not be upset if he does. What is satisfying to me is that you little girls got all riled up during this post, remember also started the mudslinging and when it came time to settle the accusations with a friendly wager every one of you backed down. WAHHHHHHH sniff snifff WAHHHHHHHH mommy Marshall is picking on us make him go away.

Again my friends BRING THE NOISE and Florida rolls right through this overated Oklahoma squad.

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Posted By: barrysloate

Well that's about what I expected.

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Posted By: leon

I will, once again, go far against the grain and say Marshall's posts are mildly entertaining. Sometimes I have to agree that cards, while exciting as all get out sometimes, can be boring. Don't get me wrong...I still get the faster heartbeat, at cards I am after, and enjoy just about everything about the hobby but sometimes a little train wreck here or there isn't so bad. But again, that's just me. Of course it won't going on forever and very soon we will be back to the basics. This will continue to be a great place to talk about pre-war baseball cards as long as we want it to be. I realize some of my decisions don't make some folks happy but overall I think the health of the board and the hobby are doing fine.... take care everyone...

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Posted By: E, Daniel

But I will just say this.

Your patience for allowing others to be insulted on this board is FAR greater than when you yourself are the subject of diatribe.

But I guess thats all good, it is your board and everything.....

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Posted By: Doug

"a little train wreck here or there isn't so bad."

I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with that one...

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Posted By: Al C.risafulli

Marshall, one of the reason that this thread is 192 posts is that 35 of them are yours. Come on here, insult a few people, and they fire back at you. This thread would have been dead at 35 posts if you were able to just move on. There's nothing interesting or entertaining about that. Frankly, I continue to post in this thread because I'm bored, not because I'm entertained. I suspect that others feel the same.

Second point: You "partied" with a bunch of early 90s Seattle rock stars? I would be willing to bet that not one of them knows you, and on the off chance that one does, I'd bet they don't consider you someone they "partied" with. I would guess that would be the second bet I offered you in this thread that you were unwilling to take.

Third point: I visited your website and Myspace page that haven't been updated in two years. It's not my policy to poke at what interests people or what they do for a living, and on this particular message board, I'm not a music reviewer. So that doesn't leave me with much to say. However, I would suggest that dropping the kinds of names you're dropping is a mistake when you don't know the people you're dropping them to. Marilyn Manson and Layne Staley do not impress me. If you had some prewar baseball card knowledge, which clearly you do not, THAT would impress me. That's why I am a member of this board, and that's why many people here have built the type of relationships with each other that you clearly are incapable of having.

Fourth point: The fact that people like Daniel and Barry and Joann are taking pokes at you is not something you should be wearing as a badge of honor. Those are people who respect the integrity of this community, and who have earned the respect of their peers here. Ask how often I get involved in flame wars on message boards - almost never. Same with the three people I mentioned above. If you had taken the time to learn about this board before you began yammering on with your 20-year-old song lyrics, perhaps you would have realized that there are better ways to introduce yourself to a party than by being the drunk guy vomiting on the living room rug.

Being so lonely must really suck.

-Al

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Posted By: leon

I understand your feelings on this and it won't go on longer than today.....and probably not too much longer at all. I know I go against the grain on some things....AND I don't like to see my friends insulted......I just want to make sure ya'll know those few things. Once this thread is locked I won't let another similar one be started in the near future. I am sorry if I offend any good members but I am giving my perspective....take care