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Another T206 Wagner "? AUTHTCT"
Latest one ..
http://www.ebay.com/itm/t206-honus-w...AAAOSwWntXMm79 http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-11-T206...UAAOSwXj5XG5Iz Shocking feedback on the last one .. (-1) now .. case and card in photo does not match item. p***t ( 376Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499) During past month Reply by chartso5 (May-03-16 16:25): Horrible Buyer, Item was as described. Refunded as well. Inconsiderate. 1909-11 T206 BROADLEAF CIGARETTES HONUS WAGNER (#262402036388) US $82.07 View Item Last edited by Edwolf1963; 05-10-2016 at 10:16 PM. |
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Gotta admit.... They did a good job with the slab.
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Ran the Cert # just for fun and it isn't even in the data base.
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It's probably not a fake PSA tag; it says Questionable Authenticity. I'm not sure they technically label anything fake.
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I thought they didn't enter the cert numbers in their database on cards with questionable authenticity? The flip is absolutely real. And shame in PSA for even labelling it as questionable (as if there is a chance) authenticity.
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I wonder how much he had to pay ($700) to learn that there isn't a Broad Leaf Wagner...
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Hmmm, didn't know that. I looked up the flip # as well and it came back unknown, so thought something was amiss. If it's known there wasn't a T206 Wagner w/BroadLeaf back (or so I would gather from others feedback), why wouldn't PSA note it as a reprint/fake then? Instead of questionable authenticity.
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I saw this as well, at first I thought there was a chance. After a close look, though, you can easily see the extra bright color and signs of a reprint. Yikes!
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Finding a real Broadleaf Wagner would be like finding survivors from the Titanic on a life boat off the coast of Greenland..... Last Wednesday
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I have implicit trust in his "zero" feedback.
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Who is it, exactly, that buys this junk? Is there actually someone who thinks that they can scoop up a T206 Wagner for $34 on eBay? And if the people bidding on this do think it's real, why on Earth did 23 of them get topped by a $34 bid? And if they know it's fake, why did they bid at all?
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This scam has actually been discussed here before. Submitter sends fake cards to PSA knowing they will come back as questionable authenticity. Then, lists them on eBay with a pic of the flip hoping to reel in a sucker with the hopes that it might be real. |
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Crap
Easy to see why people fall for this.
Unfortunate But easy
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Dude, you are really stretching it to try and throw shade at PSA for this. If someone sees the leading TPG flat out refused to grade something and called it "Questionable Authenticity," and still that someone wants to buy said thing, thinking it's real, that is squarely and solely on them and their idiocy.
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psa's fault?
please. 1. it says ? authen. 2. it's not holdered. 3. the cert isn't verifiable. 4. just an opinion anyways. if you need more than that, let me show you this oceanfront compound in arizona for a steal. the post office says no such address found, it doesn't have a pin number, walls or even a roof.... but there is a sign in the yard that says "? ocean front" in the picture. a fool and his money... Last edited by begsu1013; 04-27-2016 at 11:52 PM. |
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Seriously this is scary shit right here. WHY is this still listed? And so much for the little hologram making things more safe.
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The series the Wagner was printed didn't even print Broad Leaf! These are it Piedmont 150 Sweet Caporal 150/25 Sweet Caporal 150/30
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I see absolutely nothing wrong with the listing. There is no BS story saying it could be real. It is a hell of a lot better than someone listing a card as ExMint or NrMint when the card is in a Authentic holder, to me that is trying to deceive someone.
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Or do you think they should have labeled it what it actually is (a reprint)? The fact that they refuse to label it for what it is makes them somewhat responsible for this. |
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PSA could holder these things and label them "2016 Dover Reprints" or something.
On the other hand, maybe they just call them "questionable" out of an abundance of caution. Art authenticators get sued so often for determining that a work isn't original that some of them are shutting down. See http://fortune.com/2015/09/24/art-fakes-lawsuits |
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the reason psa labels it "? authen" is due to liability.
had the flip said "complete fake", guy turns around, sells the thing for $1 to another collector, only to be resubmitted and have it turn out to be a million dollar card psa would be on the hook for some serious cash. "? oceanfront" in arizona. |
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it makes perfect sense and saves them even more cents!
i am sure they know this, but am even more confident that they aren't gonna change their entire computer and logging system over the fact that someone submitted a card that isn't even fathomable. your reply doesn't make any sense, personally. edit: and it is possible for that wagner to be real...had it been submitted for what it was. a "2016 dover blah, blah, blah" in this case it was submitted for something it's not, which is why it looks the way it does, it didn't get holdered and the flip states what it is...a card of questionable authenticity. Last edited by begsu1013; 04-28-2016 at 10:02 AM. |
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and furthermore, shame on you for making me defend psa!!!
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It actually makes perfect sense. PSA makes its money authenticating real cards, not finding fake ones. Its much easier and with zero liability to say exactly what they put on the flip when they refuse to authenticate it. PSA has had to pay money to folks for authenticating fakes (it happens), but that is the cost of doing business. There is zero profit and a ton of liability in identifying fakes.
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How can they state a fact (altered, trimmed, re-colored) on one aspect of the card, but only give an opinion (questionable authenticity) on another aspect of a card? It's either altered or it isn't. It's either authentic or it isn't. Authenticity is a black/white issue. There is no gray area. Quote:
Questionable Authenticity is nothing more than an excuse for incompetency. If your next door neighbor brought you that card for your opinion, would you tell him that it's "questionable authenticity" or would you say, "It's a fake?" Edited to add: This is from their website: "Professional Sports Authenticator (PSA) is the largest and most trusted third-party grading and authentication company in the world." Last edited by vintagetoppsguy; 04-28-2016 at 10:32 AM. |
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lAs a banker, when I decide against a loan, I never tell the client that there is zero chance anyone will give them a loan no matter how bad their situation is. I simply state that I won't give them the loan. PSA is simply stating that they will not authenticate that card. Whose to say some crack pot basement grading service won't authenticate it??
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Do you not see how ridiculous your statement sounds? Once again, from PSAs website, ""Professional Sports Authenticator (PSA) is the largest and most trusted third-party grading and authentication company in the world." |
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C'mon Pete they can't even tell if a card is miscut or not and get it right.
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Actually it makes perfect sense. They base their company on the authentication of real products and accept all the liability that it entails.
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Do you have malpractice insurance? Of course!! Are you going to take a chance when you don't have too? Of course not!
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Ok...But where is the iota of a chance this card could be real here?
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Mr. Banker, if I were to walk into your bank with some bills you knew to be counterfeit and try and deposit them, would you tell me the bills are fake and confiscate them from me or would you tell me their authenticity is questionable and give them back to me?
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Not a chance.
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Its blanket risk and more than likely a blanket policy for PSA when it comes to fake cards. You are assuming that all cards they refuse to authenticate are this cut and dry. For those of us dedicated enough to post online day in and day out about cardboard photographs of dead people we never actually met, its very obvious that these cards are fake. There must be some kind of market for them, since 90% of what you see when you type Broadleaf into the search box on ebay is fake.
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