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Cleveland Indians name....is this true??
Posted By: anthony
Louis "Sock" Sockalexis, a native american indian was drafted by the cleveland spiders in 1895 or 1896 to play major league ball. he apparently played only 66 games and batted .338 that year. Hugh Jennings said "he was the best he had ever seen." Jennings wrote: "he should of been the greatest player of all times- greater than Cobb, Wagner, Lajoie, Hornsby and any other of the men who made history for the game." |
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Cleveland Indians name....is this true??
Posted By: George Dreher
Cleveland sportswriters voted for the name in 1915. That was 18 years after Sockalexis played for Cleveland. |
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Cleveland Indians name....is this true??
Posted By: Dan Bretta
Most likely it was a copycat move by the Cleveland sportswriters to give them a nickname similar to the Miracle Boston Braves, but it is also true that the Spiders were called Indians frequently when Sockalexis was playing for them. |
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Cleveland Indians name....is this true??
Posted By: Tim Newcomb
Wasn't their official name the Naps during much of Lajoie's tenure there (between Spiders and Indians)? Or was that an unofficial nickname? |
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Cleveland Indians name....is this true??
Posted By: Joe Pelaez
The story is true. |
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Cleveland Indians name....is this true??
Posted By: anthony
yeah, the yankees i believe got their nickname from the southern teams that would play the yankees, i'm assuming the "rebels" that had fathers who fought in the civil war gave it to them... |
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Cleveland Indians name....is this true??
Posted By: Joe Pelaez
That's a tough question for you, me, and most of the people alive today. |
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Cleveland Indians name....is this true??
Posted By: E. Angyal
called "Indian Summer" that I am currently reading. Picked it up at Half Price Books last week for $7.50. |
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Cleveland Indians name....is this true??
Posted By: anthony
i will have to look into that book, thanks! |
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Cleveland Indians name....is this true??
Posted By: Rhys
I have researched and collected Sockalexis memorabilia for a long time and read every book out there as well as conversated with many of the authors. It sort of bothers me that people look for reasons not to give Sockalexis his credit cite newspaper articles from 1915 without going back further to the contextual sources and origins for proof. |
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Cleveland Indians name....is this true??
Posted By: Russ Bright
Wow, what a sad story. I never knew anything about Sockalexis... but the thing that I think is the saddest is the comment in the Wiki about him (wikipedia.org) |
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Cleveland Indians name....is this true??
Posted By: Bill Stone
Also check out --Baseball's First Indian -Louis Sockalexis by Ed Rice. |
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Cleveland Indians name....is this true??
Posted By: davidcycleback
I've heard competing opinion as to to whether the Indians were named after Louis. |
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Cleveland Indians name....is this true??
Posted By: Dan Bretta
Wikipedia can be edited by anyone so you're going to find stuff on there that is callous, wrong and just plain mean sometimes. It is not the best source of information on the web. |
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Cleveland Indians name....is this true??
Posted By: Ray Piskadlo
I thought the "Yankees" got their name from a reporter because "Highlanders" was too long of a name in print. Heard that more than once. |
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Cleveland Indians name....is this true??
Posted By: Dan Bretta
Officially the Highlanders became the Yankees at the start of the 1913 season, but the P2 Pins show that they were commonly referred to as Yankees before 1913. I think fans just preferred to call them Yankees and it was no longer right to call them Highlanders when they moved to the Polo Grounds at the start of the 1913 season. |
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Cleveland Indians name....is this true??
Posted By: Joe Pelaez
Let's continue to dig into the thinking of that period. |
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Cleveland Indians name....is this true??
Posted By: Dan Bretta
Chief Zimmer was NOT a native American. He got the nickname when he was the manager of a team named the "Indians"...Not the Cleveland team. |
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Cleveland Indians name....is this true??
Posted By: Joe Pelaez
What is your source? ... and I'm not asking to be argumentive. |
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Cleveland Indians name....is this true??
Posted By: Dan Bretta
Just doing a quick Google search I come up with this: http://webpages.charter.net/joekuras/bhxi3d.htm> |
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Cleveland Indians name....is this true??
Posted By: Rhys
Chief Zimmer was the captain of the Poughkeepsie Indians baseball team and as a result, since the team was the "Indians" and he was their leader, he was nicknames Chief. This is widely known and I used to own a Zimmer cabinet while he played with Poughkeepsie. |
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Cleveland Indians name....is this true??
Posted By: anthony
i read in a few books and even saw in a couple documentaries that the south had started to call them yankees everytime they came down to play, maybe the reporter started using the name since highlanders was too long but was given the idea from the south, like everything if someone didnt live to see it, there are many different stories. |
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Cleveland Indians name....is this true??
Posted By: Joe Pelaez
Sorry I didn't get back sooner. |
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Cleveland Indians name....is this true??
Posted By: Rhys
Here is a scan of my Sockalexis photo. It is a mammoth Imperial Cabinet photo of the 1895 Holy Cross baseball team. One example was given to each team member and the only other known example in the Holy Cross archives. Along with Sockalexis in the photo is Doc Powers (famous A's catcher and friend of Louis), John Pappalau, one other future pro whose name escapes me, and Jesse Burkett who was a Worcester resident and team coach each year for Holy Cross. |
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Cleveland Indians name....is this true??
Posted By: Joe Pelaez
That's one beautiful team foto to really be proud of. |
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Cleveland Indians name....is this true??
Posted By: prewarsports
The photo came from the estate of player in the photo, George Kerrigan. He is at the upper left of the photo. I bought it several years ago. The only known Sockalexis signature is in a U. archive and will never come up for sale. If it did I would expect a $15K-$20K price on it. |
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Cleveland Indians name....is this true??
Posted By: Joe Tocco
Great thread, guys. That cabinet gave me goosebumps. It's amazing to contemplate the life of a man like this. |
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Cleveland Indians name....is this true??
Posted By: Joe Pelaez
What else can I say, but thanks again for sharing. |
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Cleveland Indians name....is this true??
Posted By: Dan Bretta
Joe, the racism towards American Indians went beyond the 19th century. Guy Green's Nebraska Indians Baseball Club is an area of my research and collecting (in case you hadn't noticed ) this club was around from 1897 to the early 1920s on a continual basis and at some point in the early 1930s they were reassembled for a couple of years. Some of the things that they were subjected to were accusations of theft in many towns that they came into even though they rarely left the ballpark...they would set up tents and stay at the park because they couldn't stay in hotels, the fans would taunt them with racist slurs and "war whoops". |
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Cleveland Indians name....is this true??
Posted By: Joe Pelaez
I didn't know about your specialty area, but I do now. |
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