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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: Dave F
Hmm...dumb move??? I know its not no 8.5...I'm "hoping" its a 3.... and not trimmed?? |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: peter ullman
dave...sweet card...i'm no ramly expert...but i'm suspicious. |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: Dave F
well...I "think" the borders look ok..but would like a Ramly expert to chime in...lol. |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: bigfish
Dave, |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: fkw
Sure looks authentic so no need to bring that up. |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: Larry
What would it have gone for in a PSA Authentic slab? |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: Dave F
The top definately looks narrow..but then again the bottom border looks to make up for it...pretty big bottom border, and the card does look kind of like a diamond cut...faily off center.... |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: Bill Cornell
That bottom border looks trimmed. It's in a CSA holder, which accounts for the grade. |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: MVSNYC
either way, send it to SGC &/or PSA and see what happens...even if it's just an "A" grade, get it out of the CSA holder. |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: Jon Canfield
Dave - I'm curious... let's assume for a second it isn't trimmed (by the way, I have no opinion on trimming, but let's assume it isn't trimmed), what would make you think it is a 3? I'm just wondering what you see that I don't. That card has great eye appeal! |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: fkw
tiny crease right side edge might make it a 4. If its even a crease. |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: Dave F
Jon- |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: fkw
Another thing that you sometimes find is recoloring of the gold edges, not that I see any sign of it. But then again it would still have a good value even in an "A" holder IMO |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: JK
Dave, |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Sure, maybe it's got something wrong with it. In fact, it likely does. |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: Dave F
The other thing Jon that would keep the grade down if it would receive a numerical grade would be that mark on the back. |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: quan
wonka bought a brown and plank ramly sgc A last year in mastro for what i thought was a GREAT deal at around $800 each...this one meh. if it's a 3 you would've done well. in the wrong hand if submitted enough times it'll get a 4 or 5...i'm sure of that. |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: Dan Bretta
Wow...beautiful card either way. Nice pickup Dave. |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: Brad
On the left side you can clearly see it's been trimmed. |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: peter ullman
does this mean there may be e98's for sale soon? |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: Dave F
Pete, |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: peter ullman
a lot more e98's!!! |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: Dave F
Brad...you said left side? How can you tell? I need the education... |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: Brad
using the program Picasa2 you can cut and straighten the image, so it's easier to determine if the card is abnormally shaped "not square", must be trimmed, why else would it be graded CSA. |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: Bill Cornell
The bottom left corner is bat-eared. The bottom border slants up vertically and then back down again. I was 99% certain it was trimmed when I first saw it. Any card in a CSA holder should always raise a gigantic red flag. I expect it would get an "auth" grade from SGC or PSA. |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: fkw
I agree the corners are almost too sharp and might be "bateared". But its tough to be certain from a scan. |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: quan
one good thing seems to be the csa holders are in sequential order, so i guess it was part of a large submission. don't know enough about the characteristics of ramlys to comment so i'll defer to people like frank, bill, scott, peter etc with better knowledge. |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: Mark T
I think you should be OK...its a very nice looking card. The only thing would be that Mark on the back, is it a pen or pencil? You can't tell from the scan, maybe you will be able to tell when you get the card. |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: Tony Andrea
Dave -
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: Paul Moss
Call it a hunch, but I do not believe that card is in a CSA holder for mere aesthetic reasons. |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: Marty Ogelvie
Amazing card, non the less. Thanks for showing it! |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: Joe D.
I say crack it out and send it to SGC. |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: MVSNYC
i agree totally Joe... |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: Sean
I'm guessing it's probably slightly trimmed, but man is it sharp looking. |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: peter ullman
how are those slabs to crack out? it looks like it may be a toughie with all the adhesion points there? |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: keyway
Looks like a nice card to me. Seems like everyone on here can't wait to tear a card up. |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: peter ullman
keywey...ordinarily you're right!!! But in this case I...and most others...are just giving their/my honest opinion on this card. I certainly have no vested interest either way. |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: MVSNYC
no one here is tearing up this card...it is a beautiful card, we are just concerned that it is in a CSA holder (i.e. trimmed). many of us have similar concerns about PRO cards. i consider Dave a friend and have already wished him well. |
#39
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: Dan Bretta
Not to mention Dave asked for the collective opinions with this question "how big of a mistake did I make??" |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: Jason L
I am sure it's already out of that CSA holder by now, and it does look like it might be trimmed on the sides, but what incredible presentation! |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: Mark T
i tied my best to enlarge it for you Dave...the arrows show that it looks like a small wrinkle (i could be wrong) at top/middle right. The bottom left corner and top corner looks weird. Its not the best enlargement but you may see what i mean. |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: Steve Murray
Mark's right side arrow appears to point to some re-coloring on the right edge. The bottom definitely looks trimmed. It is a beautiful card though. |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: sagard
I'm guessing that card is still $1500-$2000 even cleaned, colored, and trimmed. If you get it into a real company's holder with a grade it will be worth multiples of that. It seems like your gambling $300-$500 with a shot at winning several thousand. This is assuming that it is a real card. Maybe it would be worth striking a deal with Kevin to get a feel ahead of time to determine what type of work if any has been done on the card. |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: kirk
Although on a smaller scale, I was in a predicament recently in deciding to bid on a yogi berra rookie graded a 9 by CSA. I decided not to bid at all when the bidding went over $450 because I simply don't trust the company at all. The bidding went to $480, which more than book for an SGC or PSA 6... And what are the chances it would get to my house an even BE a 6... Or even real at all. I don't have that much $ toi make a gamble... Even though I really want the card. Good luck with this though... |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: Dave F
Guys...I definately knew I was taking a gamble here. I am guessing there is a 90% chance it goes into a authentic holder...10% chance I get lucky. Sometimes its fun to gamble a bit...wouldn't be any different than if I went to Vegas for a weekend . |
#46
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: Mark T
Not all AUT grades are trimmed. My T204 Square Frame Ramly Dineen is in a SGC AUT holder and its NOT trimmed, just a small piece of tape on back holding a corner together. |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: Dave F
Steve, |
#48
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: MVSNYC
"It seems like there are alot of cards in authentic holder that even when trimmed or whatever still seem to garner a good bit at auction..just because they are eye appealing"... |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: Adam
I am curious how one approaches this -- do you submit it as a cross-over in the slab or do you bust it out and submit it raw? Does it matter? Why does it matter? |
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ok...T204 Ramly Plank...how big of a mistake did I make??
Posted By: Dave F
Adam- |
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