Mickey Mantle 2012 Topps 1/1 Autograph

[Mr. Zipper]

Or they could have rotated it diagonally and gotten the whole thing in. I suppose "straight and level" is more important than "complete."

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper

Or they could have rotated it diagonally and gotten the whole thing in. I suppose "straight and level" is more important than "complete."

The more important thing is feeding the beast. The beast being the people who chase these cards in the hope that they can find someone else to sell them to after they buy them. That is all these cards are for. I don't know anyone who actually collects them.
It is the 21st Century version of the Dutch Tulip Craze.
If Topps can produce cards that look like this, and many look worse, it is because they hold the people who chase them in complete disdain, knowing that those people will buy virtually anything and so called quality control means nothing.

[Gary Dunaier]

I always wanted a genuine Mickey Mantl.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Here's another "2012 Topps" hack job on another Mickey Mantle cut autograph and another "1/1."

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[Forever Young]

Hey Guys,

I will probably have stones thrown at me for my opinion on this but thought I would voice my opinion anyway as I am a glutton for punishment.

I share the basic thought with most of you in that I hate to see a vintage piece cut down to make a card.
HOWEVER, I don't think it is the end of the world as it "hooks" the next generation of collectors. Whether you want to admit it or not, a large percentage of autograph collectors, at one time, probably started collecting cards or at least did it at the same time(I know I did as a child).
I think that exposure to these autographs of vintage players(retired or dead), keeps the new generations interested in them. They then figure out that instead of paying 2k for this, they can buy a vintage gpc for the same price.. or a baseball...which keeps the autograph hobby strong. Seeing a "newer" mantle cut from a less than stellar photo does not bother me so much when I think of it this way. It is not like Mantle is a tough signature to begin with where it should be on the endangered species list.
Just my thoughts... now JUST REMEMBER...People who live in glass houses should not throw stones..

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Forever Young

Hey Guys,

I will probably have stones thrown at me for my opinion on this but thought I would voice my opinion anyway as I am a glutton for punishment.

I share the basic thought with most of you in that I hate to see a vintage piece cut down to make a card.
HOWEVER, I don't think it is the end of the world as it "hooks" the next generation of collectors. Whether you want to admit it or not, a large percentage of autograph collectors, at one time, probably started collecting cards or at least did it at the same time(I know I did as a child).
I think that exposure to these autographs of vintage players(retired or dead), keeps the new generations interested in them. They then figure out that instead of paying 2k for this, they can buy a vintage gpc for the same price.. or a baseball...which keeps the autograph hobby strong. Seeing a "newer" mantle cut from a less than stellar photo does not bother me so much when I think of it this way. It is not like Mantle is a tough signature to begin with where it should be on the endangered species list.
Just my thoughts... now JUST REMEMBER...People who live in glass houses should not throw stones..

I totally disagree that this is the case. I cannot believe that kids who get exposed to a $2000 Mantle chase card actually then turn around and want to buy a Mickey Mantle autograph gpc or ball.

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

I totally disagree that this is the case. I cannot believe that kids who get exposed to a $2000 Mantle chase card actually then turn around and want to buy a Mickey Mantle autograph gpc or ball.

Thank you for your Input Richard

[JimStinson]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

The more important thing is feeding the beast. The beast being the people who chase these cards in the hope that they can find someone else to sell them to after they buy them. That is all these cards are for. I don't know anyone who actually collects them.
It is the 21st Century version of the Dutch Tulip Craze.
If Topps can produce cards that look like this, and many look worse, it is because they hold the people who chase them in complete disdain, knowing that those people will buy virtually anything and so called quality control means nothing.

Thank you Richard

[JimStinson]

I will take it one step further in saying that the autographs themselves to the "new" or uninformed collector mean nothing , Its the COA that comes with the autograph that holds the value. Or should I say ......."perception" of value. This has never been more obvious than in the e-bay listings that tout "authentication" companies in the description headline instead of the team the player played for or what his contribution to the game was.
Sorry but again I speak of the "old days" when I used to watch people at card shows carry off unopened boxes by the caseload with the mistaken theory that remained unopened for as long as the 1950's issue Topps that they too would be worth as much. Wrong ! Look at the actual selling prices for Williams & DiMaggio alone. Not much more than when they were alive and well....maybe less. Sorry but its the truth.