Let's see some postcards

[tonyo]

Love the thread, so here is a bump from the 2nd page with my only postcard:

[bobbvc]

Originally Posted by deadballfreaK

Love the Lobert stuff, Bob B. He has been a favorite of mine since I heard the "Glory of Their Times" CD.

Yeah, me too. Probably a very nice guy.

[jb217676]

Thanks Jeff!

[Ladder7]

The Babe's Hawaiian wingman;

[deadballfreaK]

[deadballfreaK]

Anybody have any info on this? Danny Moeller of the Senators. circa 1913. Divided back. Not mailed. Issued by National Photo Co. Washington DC. Is there a Walter Johnson from the same series?

[deadballfreaK]

This was mailed in my hometown of Fort Branch, Indiana to another resident of Fort Branch in 1909. I don't know if it is our home team or not. The white painter's cap one guy is wearing says Evansville on it. Evansville is 20 miles away. Love the buggy in the background and the really short guy in the middle who looks like he has an attitude. Is he even 5 feet tall?

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by deadballfreaK

Anybody have any info on this? Danny Moeller of the Senators. circa 1913. Divided back. Not mailed. Issued by National Photo Co. Washington DC. Is there a Walter Johnson from the same series?

I don't believe I've ever seen another like this, of Walter or any other Washington player. Very interesting.

[Matthew H]

You have some really nice stuff.

[big80s]

I recently picked up the beater version (w/ spectators) to complete this pair...

1905 Philadelphia Athletics (without spectators & w/ spectators)

[Exhibitman]

I don't collect stadium PCs per se, but I do collect some venue PCs that catch my interest. Here are a few:



Madison Square Garden, the Mecca of boxing, This mailing card-backed picture of the second [1890-1925] stadium of that name caught my eye because of the lower corner of the building, which plainly shows advertising for the Jim Corbett-Charlie McCoy bout on August 30, 1900. See the next image for a close-up.



A view of the next Madison Square Garden, actually a promotional PC for the Nedick's restaurant. The picture was taken September 9, 1949; the marquee advertises the Gavilan-Castellani bout that evening.



1965 Dodgers PC shot at Chavez Ravine. One of the ways you can date a Dodgers stadium photo is to look at the palm trees behind the pavilion. When the stadium opened they looked like pipe cleaners, with the fronds straight up.



This Drysdale you know was a few years after the stadium opened because the palms had developed pretty good 'beards':



1949 postally-used Ralph Kiner:

[Greenmonster]

Enjoying this thread.

[bcbgcbrcb]

Just back from SGC, this postard was produced in Cuba and pictures a Rookie named Enos Slaughter.

[DixieBaseball]

Originally Posted by Greenmonster

Enjoying this thread.

Jim - That Panoramic of Wrigley from the roof top is stunning! Absolutely gorgeous. (I have a new favorite PC !)

JJ

[Ladder7]

Fabulous Boston's Jim;

[bbpostcards]

Here's a selection of few unusual postcards. For more go to http://www.sportingoregon.com/

[Jacklitsch]

[jb217676]

Wow! This thread I started has evolved into pure awesomeness! Nice postcards everyone!

[Mikehealer]

[kdixon]

Here are a few. I posted the Wheat in a Wheat postcard thread. Still dont know who the third baseman is. Also a back signed HOF plaque.

[Runscott]

Paddy O'Connor - 1909 Pittsburg

[Michael B]

Some 1912 and 1924 Official Olympic postcards. All of the 1924 ones are marked on the front. The first one, showing the gold medal 3000m relay team from 1912 is signed by gold medalist Louis Scott. Almost as good as a signed T206?

[Jaybird]

1907 Manitowoc Semi-Pro Baseball Team featuring George Wilson (far left). One of the very few known images of George Wilson.

[slidekellyslide]

c1910 Oxford Indians (Nebraska)


1915 Green's Nebraska Indians - The owner of the Oxford Indians James Beltzer bought the Green's team and brought the uniform style with him

[bcbgcbrcb]

Great postcard, Jason, I saw it on e-bay for a while.

[novakjr]

All 3 of the George E Wright, Hartford Bridge Morgan Bulkelley postcards..

the first 3 pics are all from the folder, pm'ed 1908. The Bulkelley photo and the correspondence are not on the same panel.. The next 2 pics go together front/back(pm'ed 1911). And the third version is unused..

[novakjr]

A few stadium/field/arena pc's..

[Iwantmorecards77]

Post card dated 1908 on the back - some guy that looks like Ty....and signed it as such. lol

[jerrys]

pc2.jpg

[Runscott]

Detail from a few RPPC's:

Star Bloomers in action
Horse and Buggies lined up at baseball game
Baseball team on a 'bus'
Bloomers playing

[Runscott]

• extra-long postcard of Bloomer girls playing
• 1911 Waseda (Japanese University)
• Cuban XX youth team?

[Runscott]

1910 Kansas City Red Sox with Casey Stengel

Has anyone seen this image before?

[bcbgcbrcb]

Are the Kansas City Red Sox & Kansas City Blues the same team? Stengel played for the Blues in 1910 but only 4 games, it would be very unusual for him to appear on a team photo having played in that few games........

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by bcbgcbrcb

Are the Kansas City Red Sox & Kansas City Blues the same team? Stengel played for the Blues in 1910 but only 4 games, it would be very unusual for him to appear on a team photo having played in that few games........

No, they are two different teams. He played for the KC Red Sox, not the Blues.

[bcbgcbrcb]

Scott:

Here is the link to the Baseball-Reference.com website indicating that he played on the Kansas City Blues, do they have it wrong?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/mi...gi?id=10c2d65b

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by bcbgcbrcb

Scott:

Here is the link to the Baseball-Reference.com website indicating that he played on the Kansas City Blues, do they have it wrong?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/mi...gi?id=10c2d65b

Yes

There are other photos of Stengel when he played with the KC Red Sox, also with Marysville (including a baseball card), but I haven't seen this actual image before. Scouring the internet, can't find it, but I'm sure it's out there somewhere.

[bcbgcbrcb]

What league did the Kansas City Red Sox play in?

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by bcbgcbrcb

What league did the Kansas City Red Sox play in?

Phil, it would probably take you about as long to use Google as to ask this question. You could also use the 'search' feature of this forum.

I fully understand your point, but it would be much easier to respond to if you would simply post it.

[bcbgcbrcb]

Scott:

I did a google search first and nothing came up, hence the question

The bottom line is: I don't believe that the team pictured on the postcard is the same one that Casey Stengel played for and obviously then Stengel would not be pictured there. The scenario becomes even harder to believe when you state that there are other photos picturing Casey Stengel on this Kansas City Red Sox team (which I don't think is even a professional baseball team) when he played a total of 4 games in 1910 for a Kansas City minor league team, which I believe is correctly identified as the Blues on Baseball-Reference.com. How many photo opportunities would 4 games played lend itself to?

[Runscott]

Phil, that wasn't so difficult, was it?

[bcbgcbrcb]

I found the previous Net 54 post about it, don't remember seeing it before. It mentions a semi-pro team which could be the one on the postcard. I don't know that much about Stengel nor his amateur career and am not going to start endless research on it so I will graciously apologize for the misunderstanding and leave it as is.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by bcbgcbrcb

I found the previous Net 54 post about it, don't remember seeing it before. It mentions a semi-pro team which could be the one on the postcard. I don't know that much about Stengel nor his amateur career and am not going to start endless research on it so I will graciously apologize for the misunderstanding and leave it as is.

There is no need to apologize. What you posted previously (and above) is exactly in line with what I found prior to bidding on this postcard.

Other than my own theories, I know little more than you do, but I feel that there is still research that I can do to validate those theories (or invalidate them). I have to visit northern Missouri, Iowa and Chicago, to research a baseball team I'm writing about - the Japanese Base Ball Association - so I'll just add the Kansas City Red Sox to the research list.

The bigger area of doubt, unfortunately, is whether or not the postcard is real. I tend to lean toward the negative when it comes to such things, so I'm meeting with David today to go over it in detail.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by bcbgcbrcb

Scott:

I did a google search first and nothing came up, hence the question

The bottom line is: I don't believe that the team pictured on the postcard is the same one that Casey Stengel played for and obviously then Stengel would not be pictured there. The scenario becomes even harder to believe when you state that there are other photos picturing Casey Stengel on this Kansas City Red Sox team (which I don't think is even a professional baseball team) when he played a total of 4 games in 1910 for a Kansas City minor league team, which I believe is correctly identified as the Blues on Baseball-Reference.com. How many photo opportunities would 4 games played lend itself to?

Saving the above so that I can find it later when searching for my own posts.

Thanks, Phil.

[bcbgcbrcb]

I don't blame you, Scott. If I had the chance to buy that postcard, then I would do the endless research involved, especially since it would pre-date 1910 when his T210 card was issued and which costs a fortune and I can't afford right now. This postcard would fill that spot in my collection and I would not have to spend thousands to get a 1910 Stengel card.

[bcbgcbrcb]

I don't know if it helps the cause any but here is a postcard picturing Casey Stengel in 1911 (Aurora), Casey is the guy lying on the ground above his initials. I believe this postcard originated from the Stengel estate.

[Jaybird]

Sure looks like him. Being left handed doesn't hurt the case...

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by bcbgcbrcb

I don't blame you, Scott. If I had the chance to buy that postcard, then I would do the endless research involved, especially since it would pre-date 1910 when his T210 card was issued and which costs a fortune and I can't afford right now. This postcard would fill that spot in my collection and I would not have to spend thousands to get a 1910 Stengel card.

If my theory is correct, both the T210 and existing Maysville postcards would pre-date this postcard, so if you considered postcards as qualifying for 'rookie card' status, the only competition your T210 card would have would be the Maysville postcard.

[bcbgcbrcb]

So you think he played for the Red Sox team after 1910? I was thinking semi-pro would have preceeded his minor league days, that's why I went with pre-1910.

As an aside, do you have an image of the Maysville postcard?

[Exhibitman]

Just got this one, a newspaper issued PC that was mailed the day of the big fight between Jess Willard and Jack Dempsey from Toledo, OH, where the fight took place.

[Runscott]

Phil, I did some more googling and found this: KC Courier News article on Stengel

The article describes his time playing for Aurora in 1911. It also has a gallery of photos, including one of Stengel with the KC Red Sox - while he's not wearing a sweater as he is in my photo, it's clearly the same player, and he appears to even be wearing the exact same uniform in both photos. The Baseball Hall of Fame could definitely be wrong, but I like their thinking.

Click on the small 'gallery' image of Stengel to the left to get a larger image and the following text below the photo: "Casey Stengel with the Kansas City Red Sox, one season before he came to Aurora. Photo courtesy~Baseball Hall of Fame"

This corroborates my theory which I explained to you by email. The postcard back is a 'KRUXO' with clubs in the corners, dating it to the correct years.

Also, I know I spotted a postcard of the 1910 Maysville team, but now I can't find it for anything.

Here is a young Brooklyn Stengel, the KC Courier image, and my image: