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Chis, less than a year ago you posted this in another thread. Has something since changed?
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What I find truly amazing is that the so called TPA's haters are now defending them. What made this happen?
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no one is defending the tpa's . i said i didnt know if it was good or bad, or if spence screwed up or not, just that if you are going to call out spence, have some proof. chris might end up being right, but not just because his name is christopher williams.
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Shelly,
Nobody is defending the TPAs. What seems to be the general thing here is for Chris to either put up or shut up. It has been over three weeks and still nothing. Last edited by Big Dave; 04-21-2013 at 04:17 PM. |
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Thanks, that is an honest reply.
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here is a couple of emergency stamped tickets from 1934 july12, that went with this lot.
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedi...b#.UXRqAkbfjU4 Last edited by travrosty; 04-21-2013 at 04:44 PM. |
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Travis, two of the rain checks have a printed date the other two have stamped dates. My question was. Are the generic tickets from that year only or could they have been from other years as well. I dont care what the stamp says.
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i posted it for discussion purposes, i am not a ticket guy.
but they seem to match form, so i would think someone would have a hard time CONCLUSIVELY debunking the ticket from the way it looks based on these others that have surfaced. unless they are fake too? not likely. whether or not the ticket can be definitely ruled in is up to debate, but conversely, it would be hard to DEFINITELY rule it out either. they do look the same. did chris have any ticket bombshell he wanted to show? Last edited by travrosty; 04-21-2013 at 04:59 PM. |
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If he did I am sure it would have been done by now. I am just curious how they can say it was that date.
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Thanks Travis. Looks like the ones shown that are stamp dated were the day right before Ruth's 700th HR. |
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My theory is that the Tigers had to print up extra tickets for that series in expectation of higher crowds due to the possibility that Ruth would get #700.
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Possibly so, Dan. Additionally, Ruth and Co. always drew better attendance than other AL teams, FWIW. You definitely know that the Yankees drew much better crowds than a team like the lowly St. Louis Browns (apologies to all Brownies fans out there )
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Who on this board would you consider an expert? |
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Other than the couple of guys on here who are long time dealers I don't profess to know the credentials of the rest. |
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Who are you referring to?
Last edited by thetruthisoutthere; 04-21-2013 at 05:19 PM. |
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Originally Posted by Scott Garner
James and all, Interesting... FWIW, I would not trust this to be a real Ruth 700th HR ticket. I personally have not seen vintage Tigers tickets that have been stamped with a date. In fact, as a baseball ticket collector of over 40 years, I will tell you that I do not recall EVER seeing a Tigers stamped date ticket prior to 1969. I have, however, seen lots of emergency tickets like the one featured in this auction with designations like Game X, Game K, etc. I do recall seeing a genuine printed date ticket to Ruth's 700th HR. At least one exists in the hobby. As I recall it has an uneven tear at the perforation, almost appearing to have a "fang" shaped tear.... (chris williams response) +1 and more...... shelly, i post that photo (that huggins and scott posted in the last thread) because someone said they doubt these stamped tickets exist, and chris +1 them, agreed with them. well here are two stamped emergency tickets from the day before, july 12, 1934. now unless people think those are fake, then there is precedent for stamped emergency tickets from july, 1934 out there. why did chris do a +1? because the year is cut off, it isnt possible to confirm it is from 1934, but not possible to confirm it isn't either. but it can put to rest the theory that the 700 hr ticket must be a fake because no one has seen stamping like that before. it could be real. but game used balls same way, no one can prove that they were used in the game for sure, but if they fit the pattern and form of game used balls from that game, you have to have a leap of faith somewhat. The stamped huggins and scott ticket does follow form for what it shows people. you have to then go on to the autograph. for the auction house to say it is from 1934 is them saying it's from 1934. it probably is, the consignor says it is, not 100% definitely yet as far as i can tell. but we have seen auction houses say this is babe ruth's first home run bat, and another one says they have the first homerun bat. the ticket cant disprove the autograph or backstory, but the autograph can disprove everything. it comes down to the autograph. Last edited by travrosty; 04-21-2013 at 05:34 PM. |
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Last edited by David Atkatz; 04-21-2013 at 05:29 PM. |
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the distinction between expert and very knowledgable about autographs is that if someone has someone else right where they want them and want to go in for the kill, they are an expert, if they screwed up and have some backtracking to do, they are very knowledgable about autographs.
can i get a +1 ? Last edited by travrosty; 04-21-2013 at 05:38 PM. |
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I've asked you two questions (one in this thread and one on the other) which you haven't answered yet. Give me the courtesy of answers and ill be happy to do the same.
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2. What has changed from last year is that I am more knowledgeable about autographs than I was a year ago. As a matter of fact, I am more knowledgeable about autographs than I was a week ago. |
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My main question centers around the ticket authenticity. It has struck me that the the ticket was cut. It certainly did not enhance the presentation of the autograph. What it did do was cut off very critical pieces of evidence toward dating it.
Notice the precision of the stamping of the other examples. I wonder if anyone could duplicate that freehand on two consecutive tickets while doing presumably hundreds? But look closely at Seat 26. Does it not appear that it was stamped after tearing? Could that be why the ticket was trimmed? I want to add that I believe that Chris made a premature call on this because he felt his hand was forced due to the time-sensitive nature of the situation. I don't believe he has all of the pieces of the puzzle that many are demanding, and very likely now, never will. But my guess is he will keep trying. Without any financial gain, I doubt many of us would do the same.
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It seems to me, from the enlargement, that it was torn after it was stamped.
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