T206 fronts/backs Extravaganza......show us what you have ?

[cfc1909]

during the distribution of the t206 set there were 6 different print groups. Once a print group was done or discontinued and the next one began the previous one was not brought back or printed again.

The southern league 48 cards or print group 6 was discontinued in December 1909. The Coupon t213-1 was issued after December 1909. This fact makes Burdick correct that the Coupon t213-1 needed is own ACC designation separate from t206.

For some time now the mysteries of the t206 set have been tried to be answered by examining the backs. This does answer many questions but not all. Take the time to examine the fronts and understand the print groups and that will give a more compete understanding of the 206 set.

I am sure there will always be more to learn about the set

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by cfc1909

during the distribution of the t206 set there were 6 different print groups. Once a print group was done or discontinued and the next one began the previous one was not
brought back or printed again.

The southern league 48 cards or print group 6 was discontinued in December 1909. The Coupon t213-1 was issued after December 1909. This fact makes Burdick correct
that the Coupon t213-1 needed is own ACC designation separate from t206.

For some time now the mysteries of the t206 set have been tried to be answered by examining the backs. This does answer many questions but not all. Take the time to
examine the fronts and understand the print groups and that will give a more compete understanding of the 206 set.

I am sure there will always be more to learn about the set

Whoa......pre-printed sheets of FRONTS were NOT...."discontinued and the next one began the previous one was not brought back or printed again."

These sheets were subsequently re-used to create the T213 series of sets, T214 set, and the T215 sets.

The printing plates of the 20 subjects in the Southern Association were used circa Spring/Summer 1910 to print the 1910 COUPON set's Southern Leaguers.

It is a known fact that Burdick "blew" the classifying of this set because his records indicate that his timeline 1914-1919 for the T213-1 set was obviously
INCORRECT.



The significance of the study of the various T206 backs has provided us valuable insight and timelines to when certain T-brands were printed and issued.
Illustrated here is my A-B-C-D connection (issued circa Summer 1910**). Note the stylistic design of the "COUPON" back is virtually identical to the other
4 designs.





Another breakthrough in understanding the T206 set occurred in 2007 here on Net54 when Art Martineau had observed a distinct difference in the color of certain
SOVEREIGN 350 backs. I had just completed my all-SOVEREIGN set of 402 cards in 2007. From this complete set we identified that 66 of the cards were printed in
"apple green" ink.

SOVEREIGN "apple green" backs vs "forest green" backs. These 66 cards identify the subsequent 350/460 Series subjects in the T206 set.

Forest green
column............v v................................ Apple Green array ...............................v






Studying the the various T206 backs led to my theory of the BROAD LEAF 460
and red HINDU backs of the 350/460 series having been printed simultaneously.




Further studying of the various T206 backs led to my theory of AMERICAN BEAUTY 460
and UZIT backs of the 350/460 series having been printed simultaneously.

Furthermore, regarding the 350/460 cards the matched BROAD LEAF 460 and red HINDU subjects
are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE with respect to the matched AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 and UZIT subjects.






AND......I have examined the FRONTS....which resulted in my theory regarding the "EXCLUSIVE 12" subjects in the 460-Only series.



A T206 phenomena that T206 resource was apparently ignorant of.


However, I will agree that...."I am sure there will always be more to learn about the set".


NOTE **......This 1910 date was gleaned from American Lithographic's ledger records.



TED Z

[RCMcKenzie]

Every card that has a type one Coupon back can be found with a Piedmont 350 back.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

Every card that has a type one Coupon back can be found with a Piedmont 350 back.

Rob

Excluding the 6 super-prints (which of course were essentially printed with every possible T206 back).....are you aware that 39 of the 42 - Major Leaguer's
in the 1910 COUPON set were not printed with the POLAR BEAR backs ?

So, of what significaance is this....twofold............

(1)....Many of these Major Leaguer's career's ended, or they were in transition due to trades prior to the initial POLAR BEAR press runs (circa Summer 1910).

(2)....More importantly, it sets a timeline when this COUPON set was printed. The earliest POLAR BEAR press run is circa Summer of 1910. Therefore, it's fair
to conclude that the T213-1 cards were printed and issued prior to that date. My guess would be circa Spring or early Summer 1910.

NOTE......the 3 guys that were printed with the POLAR BEAR backs are......

Clyde Engle (NY AL) ......traded to Boston AL on May 10, 1910
Frank LaPorte (NY AL)
Ed Willett (Detroit)



TED Z

[RCMcKenzie]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Rob

Excluding the 6 super-prints (which of course were essentially printed with every possible T206 back).....are you aware that 39 of the 42 - Major Leaguer's
in the 1910 COUPON set were not printed with the POLAR BEAR backs ?

So, of what significaance is this....twofold............

(1)....Many of these Major Leaguer's career's ended, or they were in transition due to trades prior to the initial POLAR BEAR press runs (circa Summer 1910).

(2)....More importantly, it sets a timeline when this COUPON set was printed. The earliest POLAR BEAR press run is circa Summer of 1910. Therefore, it's fair
to conclude that the T213-1 cards were printed and issued prior to that date. My guess would be circa Spring or early Summer 1910.

NOTE......the 3 guys that were printed with the POLAR BEAR backs are......

Clyde Engle (NY AL) ......traded to Boston AL on May 10, 1910
Frank LaPorte (NY AL)
Ed Willett (Detroit)



TED Z

Ted, that is interesting about the Polar Bear backs and the Coupon 1 backs. LaPorte is one of the Coupon 1 cards that I don't have. I have seen a few from other collectors though.

Here's a RH Crandall from one of the 12 subjects....

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

Ted, that is interesting about the Polar Bear backs and the Coupon 1 backs. LaPorte is one of the Coupon 1 cards that I don't have. I have seen a few from other collectors though.

Here's a RH Crandall from one of the 12 subjects....

Hey Rob

Nice looking example from the Exclusive 12 group (460-only series).

Thanks for posting Crandall.


TED Z

[cfc1909]

Ted
Obviously you are ignoring the print groups and you are talking like it is 3 or 4 years ago. We have made some breakthrough discoveries since then and when you understand the print groups I hope we can have an intelligent discussion about the set.

[sreader3]

Originally Posted by cfc1909

The southern league 48 cards or print group 6 was discontinued in December 1909.

I disagree on this particular point. The southern leaguers (SL) fall into TWO, not ONE print group. The first group, which I call 150/350 southern leaguers, was printed from about Summer 1909 to Winter 1910 (maybe into February or March) and is made up of 34 southern leaguers who are available with Brown Hindu, Old Mill Southern and Piedmont 350. The second group, which I call 350-only southern leaguers, was printed from about Winter 1910 to Summer 1910 (maybe into June or July) and is made up of 14 southern leaguers who are available only with Old Mill Southern and Piedmont 350 (not Brown Hindu).

The 150/350 southern leaguers are more difficult than the 350-only southern leaguers owing to the fact that they were short-printed with the Piedmont 350 back (much like the 150/350 major leaguers were short-printed with that back). The numbers bear this out. So, rather paradoxically, the 150/350 southern leaguers are scarcer than the 350-only southern leaguers even though the former are available with a greater number of backs (3 vs. 2).

Edited to add: Additionally, southern leaguers were depicted in Old Mill Southern newspaper ads at least as late as March 1910.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by sreader3

I disagree on this particular point. The southern leaguers (SL) fall into TWO, not ONE print group. The first group, which I call 150/350 southern leaguers, was printed from about Summer 1909 to Winter 1910 (maybe into February or March) and is made up of 34 southern leaguers who are available with Brown Hindu, Old Mill Southern and Piedmont 350. The second group, which I call 350-only southern leaguers, was printed from about Winter 1910 to Summer 1910 (maybe into June or July) and is made up of 14 southern leaguers who are available only with Old Mill Southern and Piedmont 350 (not Brown Hindu).

The 150/350 southern leaguers are more difficult than the 350-only southern leaguers owing to the fact that they were short-printed with the Piedmont 350 back (much like the 150/350 major leaguers were short-printed with that back). The numbers bear this out. So, rather paradoxically, the 150/350 southern leaguers are scarcer than the 350-only southern leaguers even though the former are available with a greater number of backs (3 vs. 2).

Edited to add: Additionally, southern leaguers were depicted in Old Mill Southern newspaper ads at least as late as March 1910.

Scot

This is an excellent summary of the various printing stages involving the 48 subjects in the Southern League (SL) series. Thank you for clarifying this issue.

Especially, your observation on the PIEDMONT 350 printing of certain SL cards. I found this to be true when I was trying to complete my all-PIEDMONT set.

I had quite a tough time finding certain SL guys with the PIEDMONT 350 backs.


TED Z

[cfc1909]

We haven't seen any evidence that would support the southern league subjects being printed after print group 1 was discontinued (Jan/Feb 1910). Everything that we have seen at this point shows that they were printed as a supplemental group during the production of print group 1 and discontinued at that time.

Originally Posted by sreader3

Additionally, southern leaguers were depicted in Old Mill Southern newspaper ads at least as late as March 1910.

Old Mill advertisements for the T206 set ran from about March to July of 1910. Information on these can be found HERE. If we're missing something please let us know.

Later in 1910 the same advertisements were reused for the T210 set and specifically mentioned southern leagues. These have been found as late as December 1910.

When trying to figure out the timeline of the southern league subjects with Old Mill backs, there isn't a more definitive piece of evidence than the ALC/ATC ledger page.