SGC vs PSA

[CMIZ5290]

Why are a lot of people preferring SGC because "of the looks of their holder"? Am I missing something here?? What does that have to do with anything? Maybe PSA will come out with red, white, and blue holders the first of the year...

[tschock]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Why are a lot of people preferring SGC because "of the looks of their holder"? Am I missing something here?? What does that have to do with anything? Maybe PSA will come out with red, white, and blue holders the first of the year...

If you have to ask, then you are.

I would offer for the same reason that people prefer matting and framing a photo/print than putting it in a cheap walmart plastic frame. If it's the same photo/print (meaning the same card condition, for this discussion) but the presentation is better (different card holder), ya think that might make a difference to some? Not sure how much clearer that could be.

Clarification on the above: I would venture it's not on the looks of the "holder" per se as much as it is on the looks of the (black background) insert.

[jerrys]

Mike C. says......only really shows two cards that are probably mistakes...the first two.
Probably!? These are shameful products of a professional grading company!

Also "...but IMO SGC makes slightly fewer (mistakes), making them my choice for the most part..."
perhaps you should consider that PSA is a much larger business and grades a great many more cards than SGC.

I took time to demonstrated extreme grading inconsistencies but they are condoned for bias reasons. Shame.


Perhaps some gross mistakes made by other grading companies could be shown here rather than the "oh yea" type comment - "the same things apply to PSA as well" - that is just too simple a reply. Show them!

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by jerrys

Mike C. says......only really shows two cards that are probably mistakes...the first two.
Probably!? These are shameful products of a professional grading company!

Also "...but IMO SGC makes slightly fewer (mistakes), making them my choice for the most part..."
perhaps you should consider that PSA is a much larger business and grades a great many more cards than SGC.

I took time to demonstrated extreme grading inconsistencies but they are condoned for bias reasons. Shame.


Perhaps some gross mistakes made by other grading companies could be shown here rather than the "oh yea" type comment - "the same things apply to PSA as well" - that is just too simple a reply. Show them!

I'm not a PSA hater, that's why I made the comments that I did. EVERY TPG makes mistakes....EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. Make sure you read that over and over so it sticks. I know the whole volume thing with PSA, but I've seen a lot more inconsistencies with them vs SGC...A LOT. You showed two examples I didn't comment for a while because it wasn't worth my time.

If you read this board, you know all about PSA and their roller coaster grading...I truly believed you knew about this already? Do we need to bring up the PSA 6 with paper loss...do we really? A big ole COME ON MAN!

Like I've said before, I like PSA, but over the last few years and several thousands of cards, I choose SGC for prewar. I don't mind if you or anyone else feels differently. It is what it is...

Don't be a hater because I reject the Kool-Aid

[steve B]

Originally Posted by jerrys

Mike C. says......only really shows two cards that are probably mistakes...the first two.
Probably!? These are shameful products of a professional grading company!

Also "...but IMO SGC makes slightly fewer (mistakes), making them my choice for the most part..."
perhaps you should consider that PSA is a much larger business and grades a great many more cards than SGC.

I took time to demonstrated extreme grading inconsistencies but they are condoned for bias reasons. Shame.


Perhaps some gross mistakes made by other grading companies could be shown here rather than the "oh yea" type comment - "the same things apply to PSA as well" - that is just too simple a reply. Show them!

Ok,

After I get done with the holidays and shopping and travel I'll have time to go through Ebay to find the boatload of PSA 5s and 4s with bad corners and even creases. Then save off pictures I don't really need, upload them and write some comments. I have a life, and I'm a bit busy, but when I get a chance I'll do that.

SGC makes mistakes, but the level of willful blindness I sometimes see in the PSA crowd is a good argument for TPG.

Steve B

[steve B]

Originally Posted by steve B

Ok,

After I get done with the holidays and shopping and travel I'll have time to go through Ebay to find the boatload of PSA 5s and 4s with bad corners and even creases. Then save off pictures I don't really need, upload them and write some comments. I have a life, and I'm a bit busy, but when I get a chance I'll do that.

SGC makes mistakes, but the level of willful blindness I sometimes see in the PSA crowd is a good argument for TPG.

Steve B

Ok, now that I'm back............Just a quick look
PSA 4 with a nice corner crease.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-1911-T2...item4acb7def9e

3.5 with a creased corner.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/T206-Bill-Hi...-/370971716850

3 with a crease and one really bad corner.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-11-T206...-/321284282509

3 with two big creases and staining.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/T206-Pat-McC...-/380803449664

A couple more really rough 3s one with lots of creasing, the other with paperloss on the front.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/T206-George-...-/360821894971

http://www.ebay.com/itm/T206-Willie-...-/380803415795

PSA 5 with a crease.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-11-T206...item4ace09188e

All the main companies make mistakes, probably at about the same rate. But as someone else pointed out PSA has done more cards overall, so their mistakes might seem more common.

Steve B

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by jerrys

Perhaps some gross mistakes made by other grading companies could be shown here rather than the "oh yea" type comment - "the same things apply to PSA as well" - that is just too simple a reply. Show them!

What do I win?

[jerrys]

Someone else?

Good work Steve - especially the Keeler paper loss 3 and the creased 4 and 5.

There is no excuse at all for such blatant grading errors to get by quality control of any professional grading service.

IMO a couple of other substandard examples:

clarkson.jpg

dunlap.jpg

[slipk1068]

Originally Posted by steve B

All the main companies make mistakes, probably at about the same rate.

You call them "mistakes", I call it TPG corruption, preferential treatment, or printing money for their best customers/friends. I have never submitted a card with a crease and had it come back a 4 and I suspect I never will.

Originally Posted by jerrys

Someone else?

I think it has been covered adequately in this and many other threads. Do you really need to see more examples?

[steve B]

Originally Posted by slipk1068

You call them "mistakes", I call it TPG corruption, preferential treatment, or printing money for their best customers/friends. I have never submitted a card with a crease and had it come back a 4 and I suspect I never will.

I have. This card has a light crease down the center. Either from removal from a page, or from when I removed it from the mylar sleeve that was stuck to the toploader.

Ok, it didn't get a 4. So I'm not exactly right.

Aside from the light crease the card is nice. Maybe a 60? Maybe a bit better?
When I sent it off I was hoping for a 35, expecting a 30.

And my prominence as a customer of SGC is solidly in the "Steve who? " category. I send in roughly 10 cards a year on average.

Steve B

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Why are a lot of people preferring SGC because "of the looks of their holder"? Am I missing something here?? What does that have to do with anything? Maybe PSA will come out with red, white, and blue holders the first of the year...

Kevin, you're still trying to sell that Cy Young Tolstoi for 15k right? So why would you let such a super card go off for less in an SGC holder? Why not cross to PSA and get more money?