Show...me...your print variations!

[ALR-bishop]

Thanks for that info Rich, I had not realized that. In your view how can it be distinguished from other 61s with the green in the baseball on the back ? Or other front and back print defects that are recurring and even more prominent ? I kind of understood Bob Lemke's SCD criteria before he retired. Does Beckett have some known criteria or is it ad hoc depending on who is recommending it or their persistence ?

By the way I have no interested in trying to get anything recognized myself, this is just curiosity

[savedfrommyspokes]

I found this 58 Korcheck card....I was not able to locate another copy, so this "variation" must be "extremely rare"( LOL).

Notice the yellow line above the black box(does not appear on other copies of this card), and then the word "Catcher" in the black box has a small bit of yellow on the bottom while it looks like a red marker was used to color the upper part of the word "catcher" all while the red appears to overlap (more obviously on this card than on other copies) the black print.

Looks like a case of the sheet shifting during part of the printing process when either the red or yellow were supposed to print, as evidenced by the extra yellow on the top of the "W" in the Sentors logo. But what I do not understand is why the yellow line above the black box exists without any offsetting print errors on the upper edge and why the red overlapping the black print is so obvious(as this is not obvious on other copies). .

[ALR-bishop]

Cool. There was another one similar to it on ebay


http://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/e11400...xe=exe,ext=ext

[savedfrommyspokes]

Looks like the ebay Korcheck slipped in the opposite direction during printing.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Cool. There was another one similar to it on ebay


http://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/e11400...xe=exe,ext=ext

Nice pair of print offset cards Al. Down ward red on one and up ward red on the other one. EDIT: After looking at the first card shown by savedfrommyspokes it looks like the black is what is printed offset(down ward) compared to the other 3 colors.

I have noticed that darker red blob showing in the black over the around the player position on some 58's I have.

[4reals]

I know everyone is aware of the 86 Topps Clemens blue streak variation and the Seaver blue streak variation from the same year but I just saw this card end on ebay tonight. It sold for $15 at auction. As a Dodgers collector I had no interest in it but thought I'd share its existence for those of you who might want to track one down. From a previous thread I know the layout of these cards on the sheet was discussed and based on those findings I think it would be safe to assume there is a fourth card floating around out there that has a similar blue streak.

[ALR-bishop]

There was some speculation that the Puhl card might have a simialr defect





There is blue on this one....among other issues

[bnorth]

I have been looking for that Terry Puhl card with no luck. The Clemens, Seaver, and Puhl card are extra cool to me because they are all the same exact printing error.

Strangely Al's Winfield and the Flanagan do not interest me and I have paid huge premiums for print spots on a card.

[swarmee]

1952 Topps Campanella

Missing the R in "Major" League Batting Record plus some of the line above. Spotted by the guys on blowout.

[ALR-bishop]

The Campanella variant was included in the Huggins and Scott Super set a few years back. The checklist is in post 6

https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=Awr9...2ULPJ6hPHVjo0-

Getting 2 of that card and the two Mantles, Thompsons and Robinsons was expensive

[Sliphorn]

Here are a couple rare variations I picked up recently. If I was bidding against one of you for the Papai, Apologize.

On the Papai (#245), there is a blue slash along the bottom of the leftmost version. FYI, these are both the "no copyright" versions.

On the Frisch (#229), there is a little blue dash in the lower right margin of the right example. This is the common version so the left example, without the blue dash, is the variation and very rare, I am told. FYI, these are both the "copyright" versions.

I will soon also have another example showing a variation in the the sixth series of this set, so stayed tuned!

[ALR-bishop]

If it was the graded Papai auction on ebay I followed it and in the end was glad I stayed on the sideline

[Sliphorn]

I was informed about a variation in the sixth (of seven) series of the 1950 Bowman Baseball set. Everyone is familiar with the last two series having been issued initially without the copyright at the bottom and then this was corrected in both sets. The bottom of these two scans shows the no copyright version. The middle version of the Hamner and top of the Stringer shows what is likely the first correction with the copyright being added. The middle version of Stringer and top of Hamner shows the probable second editing as they moved the name and logo up to avoid the collision that had resulted. I have purchased all 36 variations of this set and am awaiting their arrival. I checked fairly thoroughly and found that this situation does NOT exist in the last series at all as all 36 have the name and logo properly positioned.

[ALR-bishop]

Great info and find Thomas

[richtree]

Comstock yellow and Metzger Black line.

[ALR-bishop]

Ok, richtree, you get a pass on the Metzger but if you have the Comstock yellow name you have to put up a better scan

[Sliphorn]

These newly-discovered variations keep on coming. Some guy listed the no dots version for a ton of money so I searched and found the one on eBay that does NOT have dots in his last name. There are several and possibly some on COMC as well. At least this is not a scarce one.

[ALR-bishop]

Good one Tom

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Ok, richtree, you get a pass on the Metzger but if you have the Comstock yellow name you have to put up a better scan

I can't help with the Yellow Comstock but here are scans of the 1979 Topps Roger Metzger solid line and partial line variation cards.

Partial missing Ink

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by rgpete

Partial missing Ink

Interesting, I figured that card was probably on a corner of a sheet and sure enough it was. It's recurring, there are a handful on COMC in varying degrees.

[swarmee]

Recurring blue streak in the grass on the right side.

1950 Bowman - [Base] #117 - Bill Rigney
Courtesy of COMC.com

[swarmee]

1972 Topps #92 AL ERA Leaders with Palmer, Blue, and Wood.

Variation 1: Blue line through yellow border next to Jim Palmer.


Variation 2: Blue line extends into the yellow above Palmer's name.

[ALR-bishop]

Good one John

[swarmee]

Red line extends to card's right border:

1963 Post - [Base] #22 - Bill Stafford
Courtesy of COMC.com

Red line normal:

1963 Post - [Base] #22 - Bill Stafford
Courtesy of COMC.com

Or is this just a red sheet alignment issue that is recurring?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Red line extends to card's right border:

1963 Post - [Base] #22 - Bill Stafford
Courtesy of COMC.com

Red line normal:

1963 Post - [Base] #22 - Bill Stafford
Courtesy of COMC.com

Or is this just a red sheet alignment issue that is recurring?

Aren't they variations between what product the card was actually cut from? I know I have a few different Ed Mathews variations.

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Aren't they variations between what product the card was actually cut from? I know I have a few different Ed Mathews variations.

That could be it; the cropping is slightly different left to right.

[whiteymet]

Ben has it correct.

Dan Mabey has posted recently here on Net 54 that he is getting ready to offer some of his superb books about the different Post cereal issues

In his book about the1963 set he notes that the Stafford card was issued on two different cereal boxes. A 13 oz Alpha Bits and a 12 oz. Post Toasties.

He goes on to describe how to tell the differences between the cards for those working on a Master Set.

Among the descriptions are note the color of the grass above his right shoulder. On the Alpha Bits card it is deep green while the Post Toasties has a lighter shade of green. The stands on the Alpha Bits are blue while the Post Toasties is purple/gray.

So the card with the red line to the border is off of a Alpha Bits box while the shorter line is from a Post Toasties box

[Kenmarks]

Originally Posted by whiteymet

Ben has it correct.

Dan Mabey has posted recently here on Net 54 that he is getting ready to offer some of his superb books about the different Post cereal issues

In his book about the1963 set he notes that the Stafford card was issued on two different cereal boxes. A 13 oz Alpha Bits and a 12 oz. Post Toasties.

He goes on to describe how to tell the differences between the cards for those working on a Master Set.

Among the descriptions are note the color of the grass above his right shoulder. On the Alpha Bits card it is deep green while the Post Toasties has a lighter shade of green. The stands on the Alpha Bits are blue while the Post Toasties is purple/gray.

So the card with the red line to the border is off of a Alpha Bits box white the shorter line is from a Post Toasties box

Totally agree with Whiteymet. Cards came from different cereal panels on different products. For folks who collect master sets of these Post Cereal cards, differences appear on each card of a player, for every different cereal box he appeared on. Those differences allow a collector to be able to put together a master set of cards. Dan's books are great, and wonderful tools in building that master set.

Also believe the reissuance of his books will occur soon. Very soon.

[Elberson]

I also came across this 1965 topps carty 305…..different colored boarder

[swarmee]

1963 Topps - [Base] #550 - High # - Duke Snider [BVG 6.5 EX‑MT+]
Courtesy of COMC.com

Recurring yellow streak in the inset photo, probably caused by the blue not getting there.

[ALR-bishop]

That 63 Snider is fairly scarce

[G1911]

1964 Topps Gene Stephens #308 can occasionally be found with a wide streak of green over his face.

[G1911]

1959 Topps #431 Whammy Douglas.

Both the yellow splotching and the black dotted lines in the bottom white border are recurring.

Whammy lost an eye as a child, but still made it to the major leagues. He only played int he majors in 1957 with the Pirates, never appearing in a game with the depicted team on his 1959 card.

[ALR-bishop]

One of the greatest names ever

[Tedwilliams1918]

“Dot head”

[G1911]

Originally Posted by G1911

1959 Topps #431 Whammy Douglas.

Both the yellow splotching and the black dotted lines in the bottom white border are recurring.

Whammy lost an eye as a child, but still made it to the major leagues. He only played int he majors in 1957 with the Pirates, never appearing in a game with the depicted team on his 1959 card.

Updating Whammy. I think there's a lot of different variations. Here are the 3 points of variance

1) The bottom left corner can be complete, be rounded and missing a small piece, or have two small squiggly lines extending for it

2) Black lines come with the light black dashing extending down at an angle like on the top card, be straight and dark, or not exist at all.

3) The yellow block can be present or not present.

There seem to be multiple combinations of these facts, not just the 3 I have.

[Elberson]

1965 topps high 532 hector lopez can be found with or without a yellow line at the bottom

[swarmee]

1951 Bowman - [Base] #307 - Walt Masterson
Courtesy of COMC.com

1951 Bowman - [Base] #307 - Walt Masterson
Courtesy of COMC.com

Left border is missing near shoulder. Recurring print defect. Both copies also have the same print defect in the line next to his mouth.

[ALR-bishop]

Good one John, and not too scarce

[John1941]

1964 Topps #135 Johnny Callison can be found with or without a light purple blotch over Callison's nose. The defect is slightly rare; it looks to me like four of the 36 copies of the card currently for sale on COMC have it.

[Elberson]

1969 topps 380 Stan bahnsen can be found with and without black line at bottom

[Elberson]

Ok I was having fun looking through my new set and noticed some defects

121 grzenda can be found w/wo partial line top right
265 Cardenas can be found w/wo partial line top left
369 skinner can be found w/wo full line top
385 cepeda can be found w/wo scratch line shoulder

[ALR-bishop]

The Cepeda with the line seems to be the “common” version

[Kevvyg1026]

Originally Posted by Elberson

Ok I was having fun looking through my new set and noticed some defects

121 grzenda can be found w/wo partial line top right
265 Cardenas can be found w/wo partial line top left
369 skinner can be found w/wo full line top
385 cepeda can be found w/wo scratch line shoulder

I think that the lines at the top of the cards mentioned indicate that those cards were at them top of a slit.

Grzenda is in C9 of the 2nd series slit headed by Lindy Mcdaniel.

Cardenas is in C9 of the 3rd series slit headed by Mike Kekich

Skinner is in C3 of the 4th series slit headed by Ray Culp

[swarmee]

1974 Topps - [Base] #250.2 - Willie McCovey (Washington)
Courtesy of COMC.com

Recurring McCovey Washington variation: broken border on top right.

[swarmee]

1956 Topps - [Base] #11.5 - Chicago Cubs Team (White Back, Team Name Left)
Courtesy of COMC.com

Hadn't noticed this before but maybe everyone else knows. Looks like there are varying degrees of the 1955 date being blacked out on this card.

Here's another, currently up for auction on the B/S/T board:

[Sliphorn]

I can see on my six cards with left team name that some of this white peeking out is present on at least four of them, including the Cubs.

[Elberson]

1966 topps Richie Allen # 80……can be found with and w/o blue line at top left side

[Kevvyg1026]

Allen is in column 1 of the slits from series 1. He is in row 6 and 11 in one slit and row 4 on the other. That blue mark is most likely a cut line identifier for the row 6 card.