OT: Did Adam Dunn ruin his Hall chances

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Congrats to Dunn on his first Home Run as an Oakland A.

Most of the comments in this thread are laughable. I can't wait to re-visit it in a few years.

It bears repeating. The 133rd best left fielder of all time!!

Hall Of Fame StatisticsPlayer rank in (·)


Black Ink Batting - 4 (431), Average HOFer ≈ 27

Gray Ink Batting - 87 (270), Average HOFer ≈ 144

Hall of Fame Monitor Batting - 75 (257), Likely HOFer ≈ 100

Hall of Fame Standards Batting - 33 (259), Average HOFer ≈ 50

JAWS Left Field (133rd), 16.6 career WAR/17.4 7yr-peak WAR/17.0 JAWS
Average HOF LF (out of 19) = 65.1 career WAR/41.5 7yr-peak WAR/53.3 JAWS

[D. Bergin]

Jeez, if Jeff Bagwell can't get in, and Frank Howard (a similar type, but much more consistent batter) couldn't get more then 2% of the vote when he was eligible...I don't see how Adam Dunn doesn't get knocked off the ballot his first year eligible, no matter how many HR's he ends up hitting.

He's basically Gorman Thomas c. 1978-85, spread out over a bit longer time period, though Thomas was probably a much more valuable fielder in his heyday then Dunn ever was.

[packs]

Say what you will about his other stats, but when it comes to hitting home runs Dunn is in rarified air. The HOF rewards home run hitters. So I don't know what is so laughable about Dunn being voted in for his ability to hit home runs. Home runs are the only reason a lot of players are in the Hall. Killebrew, Reggie Jackson, Kiner: they're all in for their ability to hit home runs.

Here are the players who have hit 40 home runs at least 5 years in a row:

Adam Dunn
Babe Ruth
Ralph Kiner
Duke Snider
Ken Griffey Jr.
Barry Bonds
Alex Rodriguez
Sammy Sosa


Three of those cheated to do it. One is the greatest player of all time. The others are HOFers.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by packs

Home runs are the only reason a lot of players are in the Hall. Killebrew, Reggie Jackson, Kiner: they're all in for their ability to hit home runs.

And none of those guys put up their numbers while hitting .237 over the course of an entire career. As mentioned earlier, .237 would be 16 points lower than any other non-pitcher in the HoF.

IMO, it is time to lock the doors at Coorperstown if .237 hitters start getting inducted

[vthobby]

Originally Posted by packs

Say what you will about his other stats, but when it comes to hitting home runs Dunn is in rarified air. The HOF rewards home run hitters. So I don't know what is so laughable about Dunn being voted in for his ability to hit home runs. Home runs are the only reason a lot of players are in the Hall. Killebrew, Reggie Jackson, Kiner: they're all in for their ability to hit home runs.

Here are the players who have hit 40 home runs at least 5 years in a row:

Adam Dunn
Babe Ruth
Ralph Kiner
Duke Snider
Ken Griffey Jr.
Barry Bonds
Alex Rodriguez
Sammy Sosa


Three of those cheated to do it. One is the greatest player of all time. The others are HOFers.

Hey Packs, since we are doing lists then I have one for the board:

Eddie Joost — Career Batting Average: .239
Eddie Miller — Career Batting Average: .238
Aurelio Rodriguez — Career Batting Average: .237
Adam Dunn – Career Batting Average: .237
Dave Kingman — Career Batting Average: .236
Monte Cross — Career Batting Average: .234
Brandon Inge — Career Batting Average: .233

Jeopardy time: What are some of the WORST career MLB batting averages with min time?
Who on this list once had a batboy fill in for him on a bb card and rightly should have had the batboy actually hitting for him?
Which of these players is or deserves to be in the hall of fame?

1000 times to the plate and on average he goes back to the bench 763 times?!?!?!?!?!?!? UGH!!!!!!!

It does however give hope to struggling little leaguers, I'll give him that!

peace, Mik

[packs]

I don't think he's a HOFer either but I think he deserves more respect. His power was special.

[ejharrington]

Saying Dunn and Kingman do nothing but hit home runs is like Buddy Ryan saying Cris Carter did nothing but catch touchdown passes.

Love live KONG!!!

[timn1]

1000 times to the plate and on average he goes back to the bench 763 times?!?!?!?!?!?!? UGH!!!!!!!
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You've been reading too many 1910 stats from the T205s. Do runs scored on walks not count toward the game score??

I don't see Dunn as a HOFer, but let's at least be fair- try 634 times in 1000.

His OBP is very respectable- higher than MANY HOFers. Granted most of those guys had other skills like fielding, but still, you sound like a know-nothing when you overstate your objections.

Addendum:

Just to follow up, Dunn’s OBP is even better than I thought relative to HOFers:

.366 better than:

Clemente
Yount
Winfield
Perez
Puckett
Murray
Ripken
Dawson (.323, for cryin’ out loud)
Brock
Bench
Stargell
Banks
Medwick (.324 BA but lower OBP)
Lloyd Waner
and Sam Crawford !!


Equal to Santo
3 points below Molitor!

And these are only the guys elected for their hitting- Need I go on?

Again, I don’t think Dunn should be in the HOF but the idea really isn’t that bizarre--

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by ejharrington

Saying Dunn and Kingman do nothing but hit home runs is like Buddy Ryan saying Cris Carter did nothing but catch touchdown passes.

Not to hijack the thread, but there was much more at work with regard to that Buddy Ryan quote. That was Ryan's way of cutting Carter without publicly humiliating the guy by saying he was being released due to his addiction problem. Carter has long credited Buddy Ryan cutting him for helping save his life; not his career, his life. Carter also publicly thanked Ryan during his HoF induction speech.

http://www.csnphilly.com/football-ph...yan-hof-speech