Negro League Postcard on E-Bay

.... well I don't want you to suffer with t206's Phil. In fact please no....

If the buyer is satisfied, there is no reason to complain. I just thought it was remarkable how there is no identifiable studio mark on the photo, and of course no correspondence or date stamp on the back. These were usually sent out to promote a team, not sold at a local store and kept in inventory.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by pariah1107

.... well I don't want you to suffer with t206's Phil. In fact please no....

If the buyer is satisfied, there is no reason to complain. I just thought it was remarkable how there is no identifiable studio mark on the photo, and of course no correspondence or date stamp on the back. These were usually sent out to promote a team, not sold at a local store and kept in inventory.

I have thousands of real photo postcards that were never sent. Being postmarked or not has no bearing at all on whether it is real or not. And just looking at the photos in the auction I can tell you I think this is 100% authentic.

Of the thousands of PC's how many can you identify by photographer, place, or player, and by association year? I'd imagine quite a few.

Here is a PC of players who are plausibly identifiable with no reference to photographer or place, other than their uniform, Cuban Stars. Photo circa. 1922-25 seems appropriate, PC printing ?.

[ElCabron]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

I have thousands of real photo postcards that were never sent. Being postmarked or not has no bearing at all on whether it is real or not. And just looking at the photos in the auction I can tell you I think this is 100% authentic.

I agree. Plus, it is completely incorrect that these were usually sent out to promote a team. Much later, that was true about some PRINTED postcards that would have advertising on the reverse, either printed or stamped onto it. This is a real photo postcard, not a printed postcard.

-Ryan

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by ElCabron

I agree. Plus, it is completely incorrect that these were usually sent out to promote a team. Much later, that was true about some PRINTED postcards that would have advertising on the reverse, either printed or stamped onto it. This is a real photo postcard, not a printed postcard.

-Ryan

I have never seen a rppc of a team that was used as a promotional item by the team. I do have one Nebraska Indians team real photo postcard that I have seen multiples of, but I believe it was made to sell in the town where the team once played. And I have seen three of them all from the same seller who resided in Hartford, Wisconsin.



This is more representative of a promotional postcard (printed not real photo)

The original auction stated 1901-07 divided back, correct? This was determined to be incorrect by net54, and the years were closer to the 1920's with an undivided back. A fact initially questioned by a member and dismissed.

The auction ended under such questionable circumstances that a bidder needed to draw our attention to it. Why? This could have been made like any other transaction without scrutiny.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by pariah1107

The original auction stated 1901-07 divided back, correct? This was determined to be incorrect by net54, and the years were closer to the 1920's with an undivided back. A fact initially questioned by a member and dismissed.

The auction ended under such questionable circumstances that a bidder needed to draw our attention to it. Why? This could have been made like any other transaction without scrutiny.

This postcard IS a divided back...on one side at the top it states "Correspondence" and the other side it states "Address"...that makes it a divided back postcard. Before 1908 you could only write the address on the reverse side of a postcard...all correspondence had to be on the front of the card.

What questionable circumstance did this auction end under?

What do you mean? Everything about the auction is questionable; a rare PC with no efforts to authenticate it goes up for sale on a knowingly unethical website without tangible evidence from experts. UH, yeah, I'll buy it.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by pariah1107

What do you mean? Everything about the auction is questionable; a rare PC with no efforts to authenticate it goes up for sale on a knowingly unethical website without tangible questions from experts. UH, yeah, I'll buy it.

Ummm....it's ebay, people list stuff all the time that they don't know what they have. I looked at the rest of this seller's items and it appears he sells a wide range of antique items, and nothing related to baseball. What effort should an antique dealer go to to authenticate a postcard that he likely had no clue whatsoever that it would sell for 4 figures? Does the seller even know there are authentication services for baseball postcards? They probably wouldn't have even known what they had beyond a baseball team postcard if they didn't google the name on the jerseys.

[ElCabron]

Originally Posted by pariah1107

What do you mean? Everything about the auction is questionable; a rare PC with no efforts to authenticate it goes up for sale on a knowingly unethical website without tangible questions from experts. UH, yeah, I'll buy it.

What in the world are you talking about??? The seller didn't know what he had. He lucked out because what he had was awesome. And valuable. Why would he consider, or even know about authentication? And why does every good item need to be authenticated? Some of us are pretty good at telling if something's authentic without a third party telling us so. Is the "knowingly unethical website" that you are talking about eBay? So you think everything on eBay is fake? I don't get it. And what are tangible questions from experts?

Also, who are you?

-Ryan

[sbfinley]

Originally Posted by pariah1107

What do you mean? Everything about the auction is questionable; a rare PC with no efforts to authenticate it goes up for sale on a knowingly unethical website without tangible evidence from experts. UH, yeah, I'll buy it.

There were a lot more eyes hawking that PC than the handful of bidders. I don't really collect Negro League or Cuban baseball items in general, but I do make random weekly checks for search terms like "antique baseball", "baseball cabinet", or "Cuban Baseball" as I suspect many here do just to see what pops up. There were probably at least 50-75 collectors hoping it slipped through the cracks (me included) and could be nabbed cheap. Like Dan said a quick look of the sellers other items shows he deals in run of the mill antiques and being bases in Conn. he item likely filtered out of the the city (where the team was based) into his hands.