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I recently posted this on another board.
Because there are so many different correction attempts, PSA has taken the lazy route and divided them all into 3 categories and even those are three are cross-contaminated at this point. I have examples like yours in PSA 9 holders that should get the "partially obscured" descriptor but are labeled "completely blacked out" so it's a roll of the dice with them. When it comes to this card, there are strong arguments to be made that Fleer made many changes to the card between the darkest tinting over the sign and the full blackout background (the final version that has a clean, solid black background). Most collectors argue this is ink variance but I am fairly certain there are legitimate, albeit very similar, changes to the background. This portion of the card's production run is responsible for a lot of the confusion surrounding the card. This is the breakdown, remember there are variances between them but this is the gist: -Clear sign (one known copy) -Visible sign, faint haze/dark tint over sign -Visible sign, faint haze/dark tint over sign, black bar or strip through MARLBORO -Visible sign, faint haze/dark red tint over sign, black scribble over MARLBORO -Visible sign, faint haze/dark green tint over sign, black scribble over MARLBORO -Semi-visible sign, heavy tint over sign, bubble in upper sign, dark red tint -Semi-visible sign, heavy tint over sign, no bubble, dark red tint -Semi-visible sign, heavy tint over sign, bubble in upper sign, dark green tint -Semi-visible sign, heavy tint over sign, no bubble, dark green tint -Semi-visible sign, heavy tint over sign, no bubble, dark green tint, black bar or strip through MARLBORO -Boxed sign, heavy red tint over sign, bubble in upper sign -Boxed sign, heavy green tint over sign, bubble in upper sign -Boxed sign, heavy red tint over sign, no bubble -Boxed sign, heavy green tint over sign, no bubble -Solid black background, sign appears to be digitally edited - no gap between Johnson's ear and fence/billboard in background. Again, there are likely versions that exist between these listed here but thisa rundown of the types most likely to be found. Also note that the final corrected version (solid black background) is often affected by yellow/green print dots of various quantity and size but as with most print dots, they are random and therefore not cataloged by me as official running changes to the card.
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Dylan have you seen the clear sign one in hand? I have only seen pics of the one in the PSA slab and it looks altered to me.
I say it looks altered because the only part of the sign that is clear is the white part. The rest of the sign looks exactly like the lightest red tint version. I would think if it was real and unaltered the whole sign would be nice and clear not just the part that can easily be made clear. |
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I have always been skeptical on it but also open minded to the possibility of a clear version existing as the earliest versions appear to have received some tinting to mask the sign. So likely somewhere, even if only in pre-production samples, a clear version would exist. That and the fact that only a few copies of the Checklists with positions have been confirmed to exist tells me there are 1989 Fleer varieties produced in extremely low numbers.
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No, the red squiggle on the bottom right of the card you're referring to is on all cards with red tininting, but isn't on the majority of cards with green tinting. There is a small black hair like marking on all the error cards and not on any of the CBO(common) cards.
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Had the pleasure of opening a '89 Fleer cello box last month. Case numbers identified it as mid December '88. Easily a month prior to the FF discovery. Found the Johnson Marlboro with red tint.
The Johnson was corrected, fixed, adjusted way before the Ripken FF. Cool variety. |
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