Kris Bryant overrated?... too soon for they hype?

[packs]

Like I said, you're grasping at straws man. I thought it was obvious I was talking about the things that go into a shift and positioning your players on the field. Along with head to head ratios against specific pitchers on your roster. As well as all of the other "new" stats that get put into practice in real time on the field not in looking back at a completed career.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

Like I said, you're grasping at straws man. I thought it was obvious I was talking about the things that go into a shift and positioning your players on the field. Along with head to head ratios against specific pitchers on your roster.

Let us keep in mind the original statement that sparked my response. This is all I was replying to.

"It doesn't matter how good you are, no one can survive in the league or experience prolonged success striking out more times than they get a hit. "

I think YOU are the one grasping at straws now realizing that as stated it was an overstatement.

[packs]

I guess time will tell, won't it? Today's game is totally different from the players you've brought up. None of them faced the advanced stats Bryant will have to play against. It is a new game.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

I guess time will tell, won't it? Today's game is totally different from the players you've brought up. None of them faced the advanced stats Bryant will have to play against. It is a new game.

Were you not arguing with me not too long ago though that we don't need those stats to know how good players are?

[packs]

In a general sense, no. I can look at Bryant's K rate and know he won't succeed. But I'm not managing a team and trying to get him out, am I?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

In a general sense, no. I can look at Bryant's K rate and know he won't succeed. But I'm not managing a team and trying to get him out, am I?

What do you think of Trout? He has a pretty high K rate although of course not as high as Bryant's (so far).

[packs]

Trout is fine. Power isn't his only game. He does a lot of other things well, like get on base.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

What do you think of Trout? He has a pretty high K rate although of course not as high as Bryant's (so far).

That is a good comparison of the best you can expect, but Trout also benefits from a high BABIP. Yet his can be explained by more Line Drives compared to Fly Balls.

Trout FB%=38.5%
Bryant FB% = 45.4%

Ground Ball to Fly Ball ratio:
Trout = 1.02
Bryant = .75

My theory is that Bryant with his upper cut swing can't maintain his 2015 numbers. His dad ingrained him with this swing, it is great for hitting home runs but it isn't great for getting on base.

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by packs

Like I said, you're grasping at straws man. I thought it was obvious I was talking about the things that go into a shift and positioning your players on the field. Along with head to head ratios against specific pitchers on your roster. As well as all of the other "new" stats that get put into practice in real time on the field not in looking back at a completed career.

He's not grasping at straws at all. You made a bold statement:

It doesn't matter how good you are, no one can survive in the league or experience prolonged success striking out more times than they get a hit.

In response, he gave you the names of several players who did quite clearly have sustained success while having more strike outs than hits for their careers.

Reggie Jackson is a Hall of Famer.
Jim Thome will be a Hall of Famer.
Jose Canseco hit 462 home runs.
Ryan Howard has hit 362 home runs, and will likely cross 400 home runs.
Cecil Fielder hit 319 home runs, and drove in over 1,000.

Instead of telling him "you're grasping at straws", perhaps you should do a little research first before making statements like the one you did.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Or, he could have simply said, you're right I overstated my position.

[packs]

Ok I take it back. I'll use the word hard instead. It's hard to succeed striking out that much. I was being hyperbolic.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

Ok I take it back. I'll use the word hard instead. It's hard to succeed striking out that much. I was being hyperbolic.

See, we now have a consensus, we didn't even need to argue.

[packs]

I concede. But I still think being paired up with those guys doesn't bode well for you. Even if 2 of them are HOFers. Although I give a pass to Thome because he's still one of my favorites.

[AGuinness]

On a slightly related note, just saw on Wikipedia that Harper and Bryant knew each other growing up and started playing baseball with each other at the age of nine (both were born in 1992 in Las Vegas).

Those must have been some fun neighborhood pick up games to be a part of.