MVPs: TROUT, BRYANT

[nsaddict]

Guess times have changed. If you want to see a travesty of justice, check out the 1934 mvp voting. They gave it to Cochrane because his Tigers finished first, Yanks 3rd.Total screw job!

Cochrane war (4.0) runs (74) hits (140) hr(2) rbi (75) avg (320)


Gehrig war (10.4) runs (128) hits (210) hr (49) rbi (166) avg (363)

and Lou ended up 5th in voting? wtf

[insidethewrapper]

Trout MVP ? Maybe.
Here's some other stats : 16th in American league for hits, 26th in HR's, 14th in RBI's and 5th in Ave. His team lost more than they won. Also struck out 137 times. I know he's a great player, but stats can be used many different ways.

[packs]

Originally Posted by insidethewrapper

Trout MVP ? Maybe.
Here's some other stats : 16th in American league for hits, 26th in HR's, 14th in RBI's and 5th in Ave. His team lost more than they won. Also struck out 137 times. I know he's a great player, but stats can be used many different ways.

Nothing you posted would suggest he isn't the MVP. These stats suggest he certainly is:

#1 in WAR
#1 in Offensive WAR
#1 in OBP
#1 in OPS +
#1 in Runs Created (on a terrible team)
#1 in Power Speed

[Snapolit1]

From Twitter:

He's led the AL in WAR each of the last 5 seasons. The last guy to do that? Babe Ruth.

[nat]

"stats can be used many different ways"

That doesn't mean that they're all equally good. RBIs are heavily team-dependent, and so not much use for individual awards. The currency of baseball is the out - you only get 27 of them, and you need to spend them wisely. Although there are a few occasions when making an out is a good idea (sometimes you need a sac bunt), for the most part a batter's most important job is to avoid making an out. Batting average is a nice stat because getting hits is one way to avoid making outs. But it's not the only one, and the statistic that really does measure a player's ability to avoid making outs (on-base percentage) is one that Trout led the league in.

[insidethewrapper]

You help your team by creating Total Bases, with my formula Betts had 594 and Trout 624 Enchanced Total Bases. Bryant had 577.
Formula is : Total Bases + Walks + Intentional Walks + Hit by Pitch + Sacrifice Bunts + Runs + RBI's + Stolen Bases - Caught Stealing - Ground Into Double Plays - ( HR x 2 ). You need to subtract HR times 2 because it is already included in total bases (4), runs scored (1) and RBI's (1).

Note: Babe Ruth's 1921 Season his Enchanced Total Bases were 841 !!!( I don't have the Double Play data from 1921, so it would be a little lower.) But I think this is probably the best season anyone ever had !

[insidethewrapper]

Using this Enchanced Total Bases Formula the following are the Top Ten of All-Time : ( not a bad list)
1) Ty Cobb
2) Barry Bonds
3) Hank Aaron
4) Babe Ruth
5) Rickey Henderson
6) Stan Musial
7) Pete Rose
8) Tris Speaker
9) Willie Mays
10) Honus Wagner

[the 'stache]

With all due respect, any top ten all-time offense list without Ted Williams is worth bugger all, imho.

Originally Posted by insidethewrapper

Using this Enchanced Total Bases Formula the following are the Top Ten of All-Time : ( not a bad list)
1) Ty Cobb
2) Barry Bonds
3) Hank Aaron
4) Babe Ruth
5) Rickey Henderson
6) Stan Musial
7) Pete Rose
8) Tris Speaker
9) Willie Mays
10) Honus Wagner

[insidethewrapper]

Bill: Good Point ! Ted is 3rd best All-TIme based on Total Enchanced Bases/ Plate Appearances Here's the top 10 list :

1) Babe Ruth
2) Lou Gehrig
3) Ted Williams
4) Jimmy Foxx
5) Ty Cobb
6) Barry Bonds
7) Tris Speaker
8) Manny Ramirez
9) Mel Ott
10) AROD