MVPs: TROUT, BRYANT

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by nat

The directions for voting for the award mention "actual contribution to the team", and explicitly say that the winner need not come from a playoff team. Trout simply contributed more wins to his team than Betts did to his.

As for Verlander and advanced stats. No, that's not it. Verlander does very well by the advanced stats. He actually led the league in baseball-reference's version of WAR (albeit by a meaninglessly small margin over Kluber). I don't know why Verlander was left off two ballots, he really shouldn't have been.

Hey, whatever makes Kate happy!


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[Econteachert205]

When will the voters wise up and elect a manager of a dog crap team manager of the year because of his managerial WAR? After all they wouldn't have won 71 games with any other manager

[Peter_Spaeth]

No issues at all with the picks. I guess Ortiz would have been a nice sentimental choice and I could have lived with that.

[hysell]

The on-base percentage stat is not correct either?It doesn"t give you a point for walks,hit by pitch & reaching on a bad fielding play?For ase why J.Verlander was lefted off on the Cy Young award, maybe it"s the same reason J.Morris,Trammell,Whitaker & L.Parrish are not in the Hall Of Fame?G.Cater & Lance were the best catchers in their leagues in the 1980"s & both hit 324 HRS in there careers? And Jack Morris, I just don"t get? Most wins in the 1980"s,has a NH ,MVP in the world series,won at least 4 of them & could have been the Cy Young winner in the strike season of 1981 & has more wins, then Bob Gibson, who lost his last world series game,also add 2,000+ k"s in the career of J.Morris & yes,B.Gibson is a HOFer?So guys it"s not perfect, but what in life is?Robert D,Hysell. My A.L. MVP is Mike Trout .

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by hysell

The on-base percentage stat is not correct either?It doesn"t give you a point for walks,hit by pitch & reaching on a bad fielding play?For ase why J.Verlander was lefted off on the Cy Young award, maybe it"s the same reason J.Morris,Trammell,Whitaker & L.Parrish are not in the Hall Of Fame?G.Cater & Lance were the best catchers in their leagues in the 1980"s & both hit 324 HRS in there careers? And Jack Morris, I just don"t get? Most wins in the 1980"s,has a NH ,MVP in the world series,won at least 4 of them & could have been the Cy Young winner in the strike season of 1981 & has more wins, then Bob Gibson, who lost his last world series game,also add 2,000+ k"s in the career of J.Morris & yes,B.Gibson is a HOFer?So guys it"s not perfect, but what in life is?Robert D,Hysell. My A.L. MVP is Mike Trout .

pitcher wins is not a very good stat for determining pitcher production on it's own as it is too contingent on the team's offensive quality. Morris is a borderline guy, but probably falls short of being a HOF player.


as far as your OBP argument, it's hard to figure out what you are on about, can you be a little more clear with what you are referencing?