PWCC 10 Retraction Rule

[Peter_Spaeth]

LOL. That new hire must have the week off.

[Dewey]

Looking at a card offered by gregmorriscards. Top bidder with 56 retractions last 6 months. Gross.

[sedin26]

Originally Posted by Dewey

Looking at a card offered by gregmorriscards. Top bidder with 56 retractions last 6 months. Gross.

That is bad but what incentive is there to shill a gregmorriscards auction? As far as I'm aware, he doesn't consign and of the many, many auctions of his I watch, the vast majority seem to go for reasonable prices.......not infrequently lower than one might expect.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by sedin26

That is bad but what incentive is there to shill a gregmorriscards auction? As far as I'm aware, he doesn't consign and of the many, many auctions of his I watch, the vast majority seem to go for reasonable prices.......not infrequently lower than one might expect.

He doesn't consign, but I would hardly say his cards go for great steals. It easier to overlook cards that sell for less than $10 though, so that is why PWCC shilling gets all the eyeballs.

[Peter_Spaeth]

High bidder on psa 10 jordan rc has 25 retractions as of this post.

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d...p2471758.m4792

High bidder on the more expensive of the sp authentic bradys has 11.

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d...p2471758.m4792

[Bliggity]

Might as well add my story to the mix, although it's nothing earth-shattering. During the last prewar auction, there were two cards I planned to bid on, and both had bidders with 10+ retractions. I emailed PWCC while the auctions were pending, and received no response. After the auctions were over, I had the next-highest bid on one of the cards, with the serial-retractor winning. I contacted PWCC again to see if I was the winner under their policy. I received a response back from Betsy (or whoever it was) stating that PWCC would not cancel the bids

"unless it is clear that specific bid manipulation has occurred. In this case, my team confirmed there isn't clear evidence of bid manipulation, so we won't cancel the user ID's bids. "

Just more confirmation that serial-retractors are free to bid and win auctions, so long as PWCC determines that everything's Kosher.

I'm all for having anti-manipulation policies. But having a policy full of unwritten exceptions and caveats is worse than having no policy at all, because the policy creates an expectation on the part of the customer that goes unfulfilled. Better to just leave it to the eBay wild west and buyer beware.

[Leon]

They need to adopt our BST renege policy. First time and no one is out any money...chalk it up as a mistake. The second time requires a good explanation or they are gone. The third time.....buh bye.

Originally Posted by Bliggity

Might as well add my story to the mix, although it's nothing earth-shattering. During the last prewar auction, there were two cards I planned to bid on, and both had bidders with 10+ retractions. I emailed PWCC while the auctions were pending, and received no response. After the auctions were over, I had the next-highest bid on one of the cards, with the serial-retractor winning. I contacted PWCC again to see if I was the winner under their policy. I received a response back from Betsy (or whoever it was) stating that PWCC would not cancel the bids

"unless it is clear that specific bid manipulation has occurred. In this case, my team confirmed there isn't clear evidence of bid manipulation, so we won't cancel the user ID's bids. "

Just more confirmation that serial-retractors are free to bid and win auctions, so long as PWCC determines that everything's Kosher.

I'm all for having anti-manipulation policies. But having a policy full of unwritten exceptions and caveats is worse than having no policy at all, because the policy creates an expectation on the part of the customer that goes unfulfilled. Better to just leave it to the eBay wild west and buyer beware.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Bliggity

Might as well add my story to the mix, although it's nothing earth-shattering. During the last prewar auction, there were two cards I planned to bid on, and both had bidders with 10+ retractions. I emailed PWCC while the auctions were pending, and received no response. After the auctions were over, I had the next-highest bid on one of the cards, with the serial-retractor winning. I contacted PWCC again to see if I was the winner under their policy. I received a response back from Betsy (or whoever it was) stating that PWCC would not cancel the bids

"unless it is clear that specific bid manipulation has occurred. In this case, my team confirmed there isn't clear evidence of bid manipulation, so we won't cancel the user ID's bids. "

Just more confirmation that serial-retractors are free to bid and win auctions, so long as PWCC determines that everything's Kosher.

I'm all for having anti-manipulation policies. But having a policy full of unwritten exceptions and caveats is worse than having no policy at all, because the policy creates an expectation on the part of the customer that goes unfulfilled. Better to just leave it to the eBay wild west and buyer beware.

Is Betsy actually real? Or is she a figment of Brent's imagination designed to shield him from criticism for his fraud -- like his anti-shill bidding policy?

[bobbyw8469]

All this complaining and bitching about PWCC.....As long as they get higher prices than smaller sellers auctioning the same items, the problem is going to get worse, not better. Mark my words.