enough is enough

[Snapolit1]

Has nothing to do with the military. Nada. But that's perfectly clear. People want to turn it into something it's not. Have 3 friends who fought in Afghanistan and not a one of them gives a hoot about any of this.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Has nothing to do with the military. Nada. But that's perfectly clear. People want to turn it into something it's not. Have 3 friends who fought in Afghanistan and not a one of them gives a hoot about any of this.

The Star Spangled Banner has nothing to do with the military? Who knew?

Edited to add: The Star Spangled Banner is a military tune. It was written in a time of war, about war (the bombardment of Ft McHenry). The Star Spangled Banner is what is being protested. Blacks have labeled it as racist. ..

http://www.ebony.com/entertainment-c...#axzz4u4uQU1Tr

If it's not about the Star Spangled Banner, then why don't they just get out on the field at halftime and lock arms? Why not after the game? Why not some other venue?

[packs]

I haven't read a single statement from a protester that mentioned being anti-military. Every statement I've read has been about fighting institutionalized racism. The anthem is seen as being a reflection of American values, but those values aren't always in place in society. Take for example the African American men who served in World War II against fascism and genocide who then came home to segregated bathrooms. That is why they protest during the anthem.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by packs

That is why they protest during the anthem.

No, read my earlier post. They protest against the anthem because the anthem is racist...

http://www.ebony.com/entertainment-c...#axzz4u4uQU1Tr

Everything is racist nowadays. Can't have historical plaques, can't have historical statues, can't have a national anthem, can't have anything that represents history because it's all racist.

[packs]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

No, read my earlier post. They protest against the anthem because the anthem is racist...

http://www.ebony.com/entertainment-c...#axzz4u4uQU1Tr

Everything is racist nowadays. Can't have historical plaques, can't have historical statues, can't have a national anthem, can't have anything that represents history because it's all racist.

Well, did you read the stanza from the anthem that is no longer recited? It is quite racist. But beyond that I think it's more important to listen to the people who are actually protesting and their self-professed motivations, none of which seem to mention the military at all.

As an aside, I don't think there is anything wrong with revisionist history. We are always changing the way we do things to better reflect the moment in time that we're in. I'll give you another example. Were you aware that prior to World War II Americans saluted the flag by extending the right arm to it? That tradition ended when the Nazi party adopted a similar salute. I don't think we're worse for wear for abandoning it.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by packs

Well, did you read the stanza from the anthem that is no longer recited? It is quite racist. But beyond that I think it's more important to listen to the people who are actually protesting and their self-professed motivations, none of which seem to mention the military at all.

As an aside, I don't think there is anything wrong with revisionist history. We are always changing the way we do things to better reflect the moment in time that we're in. I'll give you another example. Were you aware that prior to World War II Americans saluted the flag by extending the right arm to it? That tradition ended when the Nazi party adopted a similar salute. I don't think we're worse for wear for abandoning it.

Racist? Not Racist? Whatever!
Military? Non-military? Whatever!

Do you believe that anybody has the right to protest while at work? While on the job? While being paid?

[packs]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Racist? Not Racist? Whatever!
Military? Non-military? Whatever!

Do you believe that anybody has the right to protest while at work? While on the job? While being paid?

If you fire all the players, who is going to play the games? I don't think it's realistic to look at NFL players the same way you would an average employee. For example, is it reasonable for a normal employee to assume that failing a drug test would mean termination? I would say so. But that is not a foregone conclusion in the NFL.

[cammb]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Racist? Not Racist? Whatever!
Military? Non-military? Whatever!

Do you believe that anybody has the right to protest while at work? While on the job? While being paid?

You are correct, David. If you decide to protest anything at work you can be fired. Your constitutional rights are not protected while at work, therefore the owners should come down on them , but it will never happen for fear they will be called a racist. They are as pathetic as their employees.

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

No, read my earlier post. They protest against the anthem because the anthem is racist...

http://www.ebony.com/entertainment-c...#axzz4u4uQU1Tr

Everything is racist nowadays. Can't have historical plaques, can't have historical statues, can't have a national anthem, can't have anything that represents history because it's all racist.

Not everything is racist, only the things that are. Racism just happens to be a prevalent and shameful part of American history

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Everything is racist nowadays.

Yes, everything...even Dr. Seuss books.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...as-racist.html

If you don't want to read the article, let me sum it up for you. "Dr. Seuss’s illustrations are steeped in racist propaganda, caricatures, and harmful stereotypes."

Wow! Who knew?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Yes, everything...even Dr. Seuss books.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...as-racist.html

If you don't want to read the article, let me sum it up for you. "Dr. Seuss’s illustrations are steeped in racist propaganda, caricatures, and harmful stereotypes."

Wow! Who knew?

Dunno bout Seuss, but as our sensitivies and sensibilities have evolved, there is certainly a lot in the pop culture of even a few decades ago that through today's eyes seems racist and or sexist.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Dunno bout Seuss, but as our sensitivies and sensibilities have evolved, there is certainly a lot in the pop culture of even a few decades ago that through today's eyes seems racist and or sexist.

Yes, Peter, I agree. But do we re-write history, remove plaques, tear down statues, etc? Where do we stop? There are certainly some racists in the HOF too. Do we give them the boot and ignore all their accomplishments? It has to stop somewhere. The political correctness is out of hand.

[samosa4u]

Originally Posted by packs

I haven't read a single statement from a protester that mentioned being anti-military. Every statement I've read has been about fighting institutionalized racism. The anthem is seen as being a reflection of American values, but those values aren't always in place in society. Take for example the African American men who served in World War II against fascism and genocide who then came home to segregated bathrooms. That is why they protest during the anthem.

+1

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

The Star Spangled Banner has nothing to do with the military? Who knew?

Edited to add: The Star Spangled Banner is a military tune. It was written in a time of war, about war (the bombardment of Ft McHenry). The Star Spangled Banner is what is being protested. Blacks have labeled it as racist. ..

http://www.ebony.com/entertainment-c...#axzz4u4uQU1Tr

If it's not about the Star Spangled Banner, then why don't they just get out on the field at halftime and lock arms? Why not after the game? Why not some other venue?

People are protesting what they think is unfair racial treatment in America. Has zilch to with the military. A protest is about what the people protesting say its about. Not what other people want to turn it into.