Show...me...your print variations!

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

As of now, these are the only ones I can confirm:
1. YL, no line, no card # distortion
2. YL, no line, minor card # distortion
3. YL, no line, major card # distortion
4. WL, no line, no card # distortion
5. WL, no line, minor card # distortion
6. WL, no line, major card # distortion
7. WL, blue line on front, no card # distortion

I have only seen the blue line on the WL with the intact card number, not on any YL cards whatsoever and not on any distorted card # WL's...yet. But who knows what tomorrow will bring.

Your fav, dean, has a YL with the blue line....I did not notice this card until today though.

[ALR-bishop]

Normal back, right ? So 8 now ? Unknown if blue can be found with the 4 different distorted backs ? Who is in charge of finding that out ?

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

Your fav, dean, has a YL with the blue line....I did not notice this card until today though.

Nice job!! But it hurts my heart that you had to go the Dean-bag route to find it.

[ALR-bishop]

I know this is getting in beating a dead horse territory, but I have a Q on the 69 Perry. I think I have 6 of the 8 known possibles, but my Q for the print experts is how did it occur that both the YN and WN versions have have all 3 variants ( blue line front and partial or major distortion of number on back) ?

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

I know this is getting in beating a dead horse territory, but I have a Q on the 69 Perry. I think I have 6 of the 8 known possibles, but my Q for the print experts is how did it occur that both the YN and WN versions have have all 3 variants ( blue line front and partial or major distortion of number on back) ?

Check out what Steve said in post #882.

[ALR-bishop]

I did see that and can understand the 3 different backs showing up on both the YN and WN, but seems weird both would also have the blue streak front.

[JollyElm]

I imagine the actual layout of the Perry card was unchanged (and perhaps the two versions, with and without the blue streak, simply appeared in different places on the print sheet) between the white letter and yellow letter versions, because the absence of a color wasn't caused by editing the physical layout of the cards. Or it's possible the Perry cards were exactly the same in layout, but something occurred during the the printing of the cyan layer and the blue splotch appeared?

[mintacular]

2 more, how would you describe these variants? I've looked at a lot of vintage cards but have never seen anything like the Fregosi... The other '61 has a "streak" what do you call that? Those I think are much more common.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

I imagine the actual layout of the Perry card was unchanged (and perhaps the two versions, with and without the blue streak, simply appeared in different places on the print sheet) between the white letter and yellow letter versions, because the absence of a color wasn't caused by editing the physical layout of the cards. Or it's possible the Perry cards were exactly the same in layout, but something occurred during the the printing of the cyan layer and the blue splotch appeared?

The latter is probably very close.

69 Topps had a fairly complex layout, with different a and B sheets, and some doubleprints. (actually double prints and triple prints, a fine distinction)
So some cards have 3 positions, and most have 2.

Each color should be taken on its own, so the WN/YN is a change in the Yellow, but the Blue mark is a change to Cyan*.

So one of the positions could have had a fault in the Cyan layer, that they didn't fix. When they fixed the Yellow layer the new set of plates would have the fixed yellow, but still have one position with the unrepaired Cyan.
At the craziest not likely, but possible - A first set of plates gets made with a good cyan layer but a bad yellow layer. The cyan mask gets damaged, and later the yellow layer is fixed and new plates are made. Still later the blue is fixed, and the yellow is still fixed, resulting in three versions, two of which are very hard to tell apart. (Or mix in a hand done fix for the blue mark, which would be a pretty rare thing)

Think that can't happen? I just went through the 49 leaf set, and found three -four major changes, plus transitional cards. And that's just in a month or so of looking seriously for the different varieties on Ebay.

*It can also be a change in any or all the other colors, I'd have to see a high res scan or have one in hand to be sure. That would indicate a problem on the pasteup that got fixed.