365 Days of Roberto Clemente

[scotgreb]

As a long-time Clemente collector I am really enjoying this thread. I worked on the PSA registry for many years but have since divested most toward building my HOF collection.

I do have two fairly unique (IMO) items to share: a 1970 team issue uncut sheet and a modern Topps reprints uncut sheet . . .



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[docpatlv]

Originally Posted by scotgreb

As a long-time Clemente collector I am really enjoying this thread. I worked on the PSA registry for many years but have since divested most toward building my HOF collection.

I do have two fairly unique (IMO) items to share: a 1970 team issue uncut sheet and a modern Topps reprints uncut sheet . . .



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Scott,

Love that 1970 team issue uncut sheet. The single Clemente is one that keeps eluding me.

I think I won something from you not too long ago, I'll post it later.

Mike

[hcv123]

Mike,

The 4x6ish color team issues are a bit confusing from 1966-1972. I still haven't figured them all out!! While some of them were issued in two series (A and B), the one posted, to the best of my knowledge was not. It is an off white/beige border rather than white like most of the others. PSA calls it a 1971 - I am not sure if the little research I've done on these corroborates that or not - for now going under the assumption PSA is correct.

Awesome Hostos magazine - never seen another.

Welcome Scott - sad to see your master set go.

A little more eye candy for all - will not let PSA touch these as they will have to fold (translate as damage) a flap to fit into their holders!! The 1962 box in my master set is the SUPER RARE 20 piece box that fits without folding into PSA's holder - Registration is horribly off, but only 1962, 20 piece box I have ever seen. Will post eventually. Enjoy.

Howard

[docpatlv]

Nice Bazooka boxes Howard!

How come I’ve read that the 1971 Bazooka no number is tougher than the numbered version, but I always see the unnumbered version? Was that erroneous information?

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by docpatlv

Nice Bazooka boxes Howard!

How come I’ve read that the 1971 Bazooka no number is tougher than the numbered version, but I always see the unnumbered version? Was that erroneous information?

That I am aware of there is no such thing as a numbered complete box. I have seen a number (pun intended) of no number 1971 boxes. The 1971 Bazooka numbered was a test of some sort and definitely issued in smaller quantities than the numbered version. I have owned/seen panels and singles of the numbered version.

The Bazookas I own are one of my pride and joy's! Many do not know that there are 2 different size boxes for most years - a 25 piece box (like those shown and a 20 piece box - will eventually post a scan). Interestingly in my experience different years prove more elusive in different sizes - 1962 for example - the 25 piece box while far from easy to find is obtainable (with patience and money) - on the other hand - as mentioned in my last post - I own the only 20 piece box I have ever seen with Clemente. 1968 and 1971 were only issued as 25 piece boxes (that I am aware of). A 1960 complete box is my white whale! Combing some of the biggest collections ever sold (Copeland, Halper and others), Speaking to dealers and collectors across the country - I have yet to even see proof that one exists - I have boxes with other players from 1960 - so I pray one day............I can complete my Bazooka complete box run with a 1960 Clemente complete box.

[Empty77]

you weren't kidding, excellent looking boxes Howard.

[71buc]

Great boxes Howard those are a thing of beauty

[Empty77]

Originally Posted by hcv123

A little more eye candy for all - will not let PSA touch these as they will have to fold (translate as damage) a flap to fit into their holders!! The 1962 box in my master set is the SUPER RARE 20 piece box that fits without folding into PSA's holder - Registration is horribly off, but only 1962, 20 piece box I have ever seen. Will post eventually.

Howard

Hi Howard,

Given your reluctance described above to slab your regular size complete Bazooka boxes, have you reconsidered that lately in light of the new "jumbo" size PSA holders, where I presume they would fit? Or do we even know if that's how they have switched to handling them?

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by Empty77

Hi Howard,

Given your reluctance described above to slab your regular size complete Bazooka boxes, have you reconsidered that lately in light of the new "jumbo" size PSA holders, where I presume they would fit? Or do we even know if that's how they have switched to handling them?

I will not even get started with all my frustrations with PSA - they are adequately expressed in numerous other threads. I and most who look at the boxes know exactly what they are AND how nice they are - don't need a 3rd party opinion for me. They also seem to have a different grading scale for the bazooka boxes - as I have submitted some nrmt-mt 20 piece boxes that have come back with grades between 4 and 5 - a complete joke.
Further, I suspect till someone points out to them that the boxes might fit with unfolded flaps into the larger holder, they would continue to put them in the smaller holders! That said, I expect to see (and ultimately submit) some additional larger items (mostly team issued stuff that they will likely mislabel if they choose to holder them at all).

[rats60]

Originally Posted by hcv123

Mike,

The 4x6ish color team issues are a bit confusing from 1966-1972. I still haven't figured them all out!! While some of them were issued in two series (A and B), the one posted, to the best of my knowledge was not. It is an off white/beige border rather than white like most of the others. PSA calls it a 1971 - I am not sure if the little research I've done on these corroborates that or not - for now going under the assumption PSA is correct.

Awesome Hostos magazine - never seen another.

Welcome Scott - sad to see your master set go.

A little more eye candy for all - will not let PSA touch these as they will have to fold (translate as damage) a flap to fit into their holders!! The 1962 box in my master set is the SUPER RARE 20 piece box that fits without folding into PSA's holder - Registration is horribly off, but only 1962, 20 piece box I have ever seen. Will post eventually. Enjoy.

Howard

I just picked up a 1962 Bazooka 20 piece box at the National.

[docpatlv]

That is a great box! Congrats Rats...any other rare Clemente items?

[71buc]

Rats awsome pick up I saw that at the National its is an impressive addition to your collection Congratulations! There ere a lot of nice Clememte items. I was searching for 1971 Pirate stubs and could not find one in the entire place despite three full days searching. Multiple dealers told me that they attributed this to Clemente collectors. They said anything related to Clemente was highly sought after. I saw one 1969 MLB Pinback but at $500 I couldn't pull the trigger. I saw one Clemente bust bank in poor condition. There was one 1960 World Champion fan missing the tassels. I also saw two pair of sneakers in the original boxes. Both sellers were asking $1400.

[docpatlv]

Originally Posted by 71buc

Rats awsome pick up I saw that at the National its is an impressive addition to your collection Congratulations! There ere a lot of nice Clememte items. I was searching for 1971 Pirate stubs and could not find one in the entire place despite three full days searching. Multiple dealers told me that they attributed this to Clemente collectors. They said anything related to Clemente was highly sought after. I saw one 1969 MLB Pinback but at $500 I couldn't pull the trigger. I saw one Clemente bust bank in poor condition. There was one 1960 World Champion fan missing the tassels. I also saw two pair of sneakers in the original boxes. Both sellers were asking $1400.

Mike, those prices do seem high. Are you talking about the red, white and blue MLB pinback? It does seem to be tough to find, but I don’t think I would’ve paid $500 for it either.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by 71buc

Rats awsome pick up I saw that at the National its is an impressive addition to your collection Congratulations! There ere a lot of nice Clememte items. I was searching for 1971 Pirate stubs and could not find one in the entire place despite three full days searching. Multiple dealers told me that they attributed this to Clemente collectors. They said anything related to Clemente was highly sought after. I saw one 1969 MLB Pinback but at $500 I couldn't pull the trigger. I saw one Clemente bust bank in poor condition. There was one 1960 World Champion fan missing the tassels. I also saw two pair of sneakers in the original boxes. Both sellers were asking $1400.

I noticed a lot of high prices too, but there were some items that were reasonably priced. It seems that there are a lot more Clemente collectors than when I first started out, so dealers are starting out high. You have to try to haggle them down to something reasonable.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by docpatlv

That is a great box! Congrats Rats...any other rare Clemente items?

That is my only new item.