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Owners of expensive paintings sometimes have exact replicas made to hang on their walls and then they keep the real one in a climate controlled vault somewhere. For security reasons.
Couldn't the same logic be extended to sports memorabilia? Prices are skyrocketing. |
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Not a good look for the hobby, the National or TriStar. Why do they lease him a table/booth? Yes, I'm sure the answer is $$$ but are they that desperate?
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I'm not trying to defend the crook, I'm just interested in the legal question.
According to Mr. Zipper, he had a sign in front of his booth stating that the $40 Jordan signatures were "decorative items." You also have the fact that real Jordan autographs don't cost only $40. I'm curious as to how law enforcement is going to prove that his buyers were deceived. To prove fraud, you have to prove that his buyers were misled by material misrepresentations. Maybe I'm missing some important details? |
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He did NOT have "Decorative Items" anywhere, he was selling these as legit. I didn't actually talk to him (wasn't even aware that was who he was until Les Wolff told me.) But the forgeries were obvious even without the prices and volume of material.
This will always be the lasting memory of the 2018 National to me: I asked this customer next to me, who was buying a pile of items: "Is he selling these as repros or something?" No, they're real. "He's selling Mantle 8x10 for $30 and you think they're real??" I was wondering that too, but you've got to hear his stories, they're legit. "No they're not, they're forgeries!!" Do you think they'd actually let someone into the National who was selling forgeries?" God Bless stupid people!! |
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To clarify, he displayed the “decorative items” sign last year. I asked if he did the same this year.
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My opinion, doesn't matter if there was a "Decorative Items" sign posted. We know his customers are mainly buying to resell as authentic, if you believe the other previous posts. . People like this are a scourge on this hobby and hopefully they get the punishment they deserve...
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This story does not name the vendor, but I assume it is the same matter we are discussing here.
Vendor accused of trying to sell phony autographs at popular sports convention in Cleveland https://fox8.com/2018/08/02/vendor-a...-in-cleveland/
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As many of us here know he has a ton of the stuff. If all they did was confiscate his crap then he will just continue operating as always.
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It shows a photo from the 2016 National in August. |
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From 2016:
"Many of the Ali autographs, which were then authenticated by eBay sellers by GFA, come from South Florida dealer Tony Podsada, who runs a company called SCM. "At one point, I had about 18,000 Ali autographs," Podsada said. "I have about 3,000 left, mostly on 4-by-6 and 5-by-7 photos." Podsada said he obtained the Ali signatures from 1988 to 1993, when his business, My Favorite Players, was one of the heavyweights in the industry. Podsada's items do not come with a certificate of authenticity. Disenchanted with the authentication business, Podsada said he merely offers buyers the assurance that it's a "decorative item only." "I believe what I have is real, but I don't guarantee anything because I know too much," Podsada said. Podsada will sell a 5-by-7 plaque with an Ali signature for $19.99 because he says that the leading authenticators, PSA/DNA and JSA, will fail his items simply because of the quantity he has. That makes it harder, he says, to make a greater margin." Is it just a coincidence that most of the sellers of forgeries on ebay are from S. florida, which happens to be where TP is from? |
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May not be out of the realm of reality with today's players over the course of a career but a retired multi-millionaire national icon - don't think so...smh...
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This case perfectly illustrates the gray area of the law these guys operate in. Current laws are inadequate to prevent this from happening.
The primary seller of these "decorative items," prices them at prices that would make it impossible to prove you overpaid and were defrauded. No experienced collector would have a case. Imagine the absurdity of proving that the Ali signed plaque is worth $0 and that you paid $19.99 too much for it. How would you even do that? Real Ali signatures are 10x more expensive. So the fault here probably lies with the secondary seller, the unethical dealer who buys the $19.99 Ali signatures to flip as authentic. But, how is the primary seller liable for the actions of another dealer? |
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Below is a screenshot from the Feedback page of Ebay seller Rbisportsinc.
He (Rod) was a major seller of the "Florida" forgeries. I posted numerous threads on him. Read his reply to a Feedback left from a buyer. rbisportsinc-Feedback-2.jpg Last edited by thetruthisoutthere; 08-03-2018 at 06:15 PM. |
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Now Ebay seller Rbisportsinc sells his GFA-certed crap on his own website.
https://rbisportsinc.com/mickey-mant...to-autographed |
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