Do You Like the Provenance on the Flip?

[T206Collector]

I love the "Black Swamp Find" provenance because you know the source, and the card wasn't altered. Folks who cross them over to SGC without the provenance are losing out big time on a future sale.

As I mentioned a few months ago, the Black Swamp Find made a significant appearance in the April 19 Heritage Auction. For those wondering whether the provenance of that collection still carries any cachet, consider the following:

A PSA 1.5 Jennings Red, horribly off-center, and with an actual tear in the border, sold for $1,560, because it was the only version of Jennings found in Black Swamp six years ago:

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1...ription-071515

The same auction also featured a very clean PSA 5 Jennings Red, well-centered, with no tears, and it sold for just a tic above at $1,680:

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1...ription-071515

Collectors are plainly paying for this provenance. Keep them in the BSF holders!

[Jobu]

I like it if the card came from a major find, really famous collector, or has a well-documented and available history. Not interested in anything else.

I would love to get this one slabbed as Jefferson Burdick Collection but have never asked if anyone would do it.

[Jay Wolt]

Jobu, SGC wouldn't slab mine w/ a pedigree, stating that anyone can stamp these.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by Jay Wolt

Jobu, SGC wouldn't slab mine w/ a pedigree, stating that anyone can stamp these.

They wouldn't add Burdick's name to this one either when I asked them...

[CobbSpikedMe]

I have three of Lionel Carter's old cards and one of Frank Nagy's. They all have the provenance on the flips. I really like having them labeled as such to know I have a card that these collecting legends once owned. I could care less about such provenance as The Collector's Collection.

I also like when a find is noted like the Black Swamp Find, Skydash, etc. I think it just adds a little extra something special to the card.

I'm glad to read that so many of you wouldn't pay a premium for these. That means I can pick them up for reasonable prices and not have to pay a premium either.

[RCMcKenzie]

I like the Burdick stamps and the Buck Barker stamps to a point. I realize that if the price shoots up they may start popping-up all over the place. I like the F. Scott Fitzgerald story, but am suspicious of those cards. Realize I am suspicious of the Black Swamp find, so what do I know. Take it with a grain of salt. Here's a neat double-stamped Burdick graded PSA 1 MK. I would not pay more for a flip that had a contemporary collector's card like Charlie Sheen or Keith Olbermann. I may pay a little more for a "Gary Carter" collection flip, but not much...

[bnorth]

Jay that Eddie Mathews owned by Mickey Mantle is AWESOME!

There are a few people I would pay a slight premium for. There is ONE guy that I paid a bat sheep crazy high premium for.

I absolutely love my 3 "Ted Williams Collection" cards with the LOP signed by Claudia Williams from Hunt Auctions.

[SetBuilder]

Will they put anything you want on the label?

I feel like sending in a card with something weird, like "Collection of Fred McPinperton" and see if it actually lowers the market price of the card.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by SetBuilder

Will they put anything you want on the label?

I feel like sending in a card with something weird, like "Collection of Fred McPinperton" and see if it actually lowers the market price of the card.

I think that "Harris Collection" already does that.

[GasHouseGang]

I picked up a couple with Lionel Carter on the label, which I think is great since he's such a hobby pioneer. However, I don't think I would have paid extra for that designation.

[DeanH3]

I also dig cards from early pioneers.

[commishbob]

The raw card version of provenance is this:

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When I picked up my starter set to begin chasing the '58s a portion came stamped on the back by 'Ray Tisler'. I got curious and looked on one of those white pages sites and found a Ray Tisler in his 70s who lives in California. His age would fit the timeline of a kid collecting this set. I was tempted to try to reach him but thought better of it.

[Fred]

How does SGC or any other reputable TPG service verify the "provenance"? Grading is one thing - verifying provenance sounds like a totally different ball game.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by DeanH3

I also dig cards from early pioneers.

Another vote for a card owned by Lionel.

[CobbSpikedMe]

I love this E98 Hal Chase that Lionel once owned. It goes to show that he had some nice low grade material as well as nicer condition cards.

I'm not sure why the image is so small, sorry about that.


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