T330-2 Piedmont Art Stamps...where are they?

[h2oya311]

Regarding my prior post, the current checklist for the 1914 T330-2 Piedmont Stamps set does not include the two variations for Roger Bresnahan that can also be found in the T205 set - specifically, the Mouth Closed and Mouth Open variations:



This would put the set at 119 total (vs. the catalogued 118).

Additionally, there are seven catalogued stamps for which I have never seen an image. Of these, it is very possible that a few do not actually exist:

• Bill Dahlen - Dahlen was out of baseball by 1911, and the makers of this set were fairly diligent in making team updates and removing players who were no longer playing by 1913/1914. This stamp is very unlikely to exist, despite being catalogued.
  Clyde Engle - started out playing with Boston in 1914; moved to the Buffalo (Federal League) team mid-1914; T330-2 probably does exist, per checklists; I just haven't confirmed yet
  William "Wilbur" Good - w/ Chicago Cubs from 1911-1915; T330-2 is likely (and catalogued)
  Chief Meyers - w/ NY Giants from 1909-1915; T330-2 is likely (and catalogued)
  George Moriarty - w/ Detroit from 1909-1915; T330-2 is likely (and catalogued)
  Freddy Parent - out of baseball by 1911; T330-2 is unlikely to exist, but is catalogued
  Kaiser Wilhelm - out of baseball from 1911-1913; joined Baltimore of Federal League in 1914; T330-2 is unlikely to exist, but is catalogued and is possible

Using the T205 and T202 sets as potential candidates - I've ignored players who were in the T205 set but were out of the majors by 1913 - here is a list of players who could have possibly had a Piedmont Stamp produced (although none have yet been catalogued):

• Lena Blackburne - was w/ Chicago White Sox in 1914 but was in Milwaukee (minor leagues) for all of 1913 and most of 1912 after not playing all of 1911; T330-2 unlikely, but possible
  Walt Dickson - unlikely - was in Federal League w/ Pittsburgh in 1914; he was with NY Giants in 1910 (for his T205 card) and played in Brooklyn from 1912-1913; T330-2 is possible
  Bob Harmon - 2 Ears Show - he has the left ear example in the stamps set, so this one is certainly possible; the set shows him playing for Pittsburgh - he played there from 1914 to 1918. His T205 shows him with the St. Louis squad.
  Fred Jacklitsch - was in minors from 1911-1913; played for Baltimore of Federal League starting in 1914; T330-2 is possible, but unlikely
  John Kling - out of majors after 1913; didn't play in 1914; T330-2 unlikely, but possible if this was not known ahead of time
  Frank Lange - out of majors after 1913; T330-2 unlikely, but possible
  Bris Lord - ended career with Boston Braves in 1913; T330-2 unlikely, but possible if unknown that he would no longer be playing
  Albert "Lefty Leifield - no longer with CHC after 1913 - didn't play in majors again until 1918; T330-2 is possible, but unlikely
  Charley O'Leary - final season was 1913 w/ St. Louis (after many seasons 1904-1912 w/ Detroit); T330-2 possible, but unlikely
  Orval Overall - out of baseball from 1911-1912; came back in 1913 but ineffective; out of baseball before 1914; T330-2 is possible, but unlikely
  Edward Phelps - played sparingly in 1913 for Brooklyn; out of baseball before 1914; T330-2 possible, but unlikely
  Jimmy Sheckard - no longer in baseball following 1913 (splitting time with Cardinals and Reds) after long career with Brooklyn and Chicago; T330-2 is possible, but unlikely
  Hack Simmons - minor leagues in 1913; w/ Baltimore of Federal League in 1914; T330-2 is possible, but unlikely
  John Titus - final season was 1913 with Brooklyn (decent stats); T330-2 is possible, but unlikely
  Doc White - final season was 1913 with Chicago White Sox; T330-2 is possible, but unlikely
  Harry Wolter - no longer with NYY after end of 1913; out of baseball from 1914 until 1917; T330-2 is possible, but unlikely

My guess, based on the evidence presented here, is that there won't be any more uncatalogued Piedmont Stamps that surface in the future (unless a Bob Harmon w/ 2 Ears Showing variation decides to make an appearance). I'd love to get images of the front and back for any of the seven stamps that I have yet to see. Please share 'em if you've got 'em.

[Leon]

Nice post, Derek. Thanks for sharing.

Originally Posted by h2oya311

Regarding my prior post, the current checklist for the 1914 T330-2 Piedmont Stamps set does not include the two variations for Roger Bresnahan that can also be found in the T205 set - specifically, the Mouth Closed and Mouth Open variations:



This would put the set at 119 total (vs. the catalogued 118).

Additionally, there are seven catalogued stamps for which I have never seen an image. Of these, it is very possible that a few do not actually exist:

• Bill Dahlen - Dahlen was out of baseball by 1911, and the makers of this set were fairly diligent in making team updates and removing players who were no longer playing by 1913/1914. This stamp is very unlikely to exist, despite being catalogued.
  Clyde Engle - started out playing with Boston in 1914; moved to the Buffalo (Federal League) team mid-1914; T330-2 probably does exist, per checklists; I just haven't confirmed yet
  William "Wilbur" Good - w/ Chicago Cubs from 1911-1915; T330-2 is likely (and catalogued)
  Chief Meyers - w/ NY Giants from 1909-1915; T330-2 is likely (and catalogued)
  George Moriarty - w/ Detroit from 1909-1915; T330-2 is likely (and catalogued)
  Freddy Parent - out of baseball by 1911; T330-2 is unlikely to exist, but is catalogued
  Kaiser Wilhelm - out of baseball from 1911-1913; joined Baltimore of Federal League in 1914; T330-2 is unlikely to exist, but is catalogued and is possible

Using the T205 and T202 sets as potential candidates - I've ignored players who were in the T205 set but were out of the majors by 1913 - here is a list of players who could have possibly had a Piedmont Stamp produced (although none have yet been catalogued):

• Lena Blackburne - was w/ Chicago White Sox in 1914 but was in Milwaukee (minor leagues) for all of 1913 and most of 1912 after not playing all of 1911; T330-2 unlikely, but possible
  Walt Dickson - unlikely - was in Federal League w/ Pittsburgh in 1914; he was with NY Giants in 1910 (for his T205 card) and played in Brooklyn from 1912-1913; T330-2 is possible
  Bob Harmon - 2 Ears Show - he has the left ear example in the stamps set, so this one is certainly possible; the set shows him playing for Pittsburgh - he played there from 1914 to 1918. His T205 shows him with the St. Louis squad.
  Fred Jacklitsch - was in minors from 1911-1913; played for Baltimore of Federal League starting in 1914; T330-2 is possible, but unlikely
  John Kling - out of majors after 1913; didn't play in 1914; T330-2 unlikely, but possible if this was not known ahead of time
  Frank Lange - out of majors after 1913; T330-2 unlikely, but possible
  Bris Lord - ended career with Boston Braves in 1913; T330-2 unlikely, but possible if unknown that he would no longer be playing
  Albert "Lefty Leifield - no longer with CHC after 1913 - didn't play in majors again until 1918; T330-2 is possible, but unlikely
  Charley O'Leary - final season was 1913 w/ St. Louis (after many seasons 1904-1912 w/ Detroit); T330-2 possible, but unlikely
  Orval Overall - out of baseball from 1911-1912; came back in 1913 but ineffective; out of baseball before 1914; T330-2 is possible, but unlikely
  Edward Phelps - played sparingly in 1913 for Brooklyn; out of baseball before 1914; T330-2 possible, but unlikely
  Jimmy Sheckard - no longer in baseball following 1913 (splitting time with Cardinals and Reds) after long career with Brooklyn and Chicago; T330-2 is possible, but unlikely
  Hack Simmons - minor leagues in 1913; w/ Baltimore of Federal League in 1914; T330-2 is possible, but unlikely
  John Titus - final season was 1913 with Brooklyn (decent stats); T330-2 is possible, but unlikely
  Doc White - final season was 1913 with Chicago White Sox; T330-2 is possible, but unlikely
  Harry Wolter - no longer with NYY after end of 1913; out of baseball from 1914 until 1917; T330-2 is possible, but unlikely

My guess, based on the evidence presented here, is that there won't be any more uncatalogued Piedmont Stamps that surface in the future (unless a Bob Harmon w/ 2 Ears Showing variation decides to make an appearance). I'd love to get images of the front and back for any of the seven stamps that I have yet to see. Please share 'em if you've got 'em.

[garymc]

I've been watching for a Yankee to add to my collection for a couple years and haven't found any.....really tough set !!!!

[Sterling Sports Auctions]

I have a SGC graded Dahlen and Myers

[midmo]

I sold a couple to Derek so this is now my lone example:

[h2oya311]

Originally Posted by Sterling Sports Auctions

I have a SGC graded Dahlen and Myers

I’m shocked that Dahlen actually exists. He did manage the Brooklyn team until 1913, so I guess that puts him on the radar for the set. Would love to see images of front/back if you get a chance.

Thanks!

[Prince Hal]

This is my only one

[seattlerainiers]

Here are your previously unseen seven, Derek. Sorry for the bad pic.

[seattlerainiers]

...Bresnahan looks like a younger Rex Tillerson. I rarely pass on a new doppleganger opportunity.

[ronniehatesjazz]

Originally Posted by seattlerainiers

...Bresnahan looks like a younger Rex Tillerson. I rarely pass on a new doppleganger opportunity.

I also think that the Miller Huggins T205 looks strikingly similar to Bruce Willis

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by seattlerainiers

Here are your previously unseen seven, Derek. Sorry for the bad pic.

Nice fill in the gaps. 119 is an odd number...certainly there is another uncatalogued stamp out there to make the complete set 120.

I'm odd with my evens. I am still upset that the complete set of W574 cards is 29.

Brian

[h2oya311]

Originally Posted by seattlerainiers

Here are your previously unseen seven, Derek. Sorry for the bad pic.

wham bam thank you m'am! Dave, that is awesome! Thanks for sharing. I'd love to spend some time comparing our collections of these tough little buggers. You're making me think that you have secretly assembled the whole 119(+?), especially since the seven I hadn't even seen before were all photographed in one single shot!