Those M114's - When Are We Going To Talk About Them?

[akleinb611]

Hello everyone. To answer the question asked about the two Ted Williams poses, I believe Doug may have accidentally transposed them, chronologically speaking. The Ted Williams pose showing a very young Williams against a dark background was issued in 1939. There is no way to know precisely when your copy might have been printed, as the M114's were kept in print and were periodically reprinted, until they weren't. There seems to have been frequent tinkering with the typesetting on the captions, which is where Doug's incredibly precise collecting efforts come in, but I don't believe anyone is in a position to know the year or years each caption type was issued.

So, to summarize, the Williams pose with the dark background was FIRST issued in 1939 and was probably reprinted and made available through 1948 or even early 1949. The second pose, showing a stadium background, was first offered in 1949, probably late I the year, and was undoubtedly available until the magazine when under. A "New York" caption line would have been available at least through 1954, perhaps later until the stock ran out. A "Washington D.C." caption line would have to post-date the magazine's sale to a DC - area publisher, which I believe took place in 1954 or 1955. The last "regular" issue of the magazine came out in 1956, but apparently the premiums were still being produced for another year or so. No word on whether the 1964-65 revival made the earlier premiums available.

There. I hope that's as clear as mud...

[Estwd]

Originally Posted by akleinb611

Hello everyone. To answer the question asked about the two Ted Williams poses, I believe Doug may have accidentally transposed them, chronologically speaking. The Ted Williams pose showing a very young Williams against a dark background was issued in 1939. There is no way to know precisely when your copy might have been printed, as the M114's were kept in print and were periodically reprinted, until they weren't. There seems to have been frequent tinkering with the typesetting on the captions, which is where Doug's incredibly precise collecting efforts come in, but I don't believe anyone is in a position to know the year or years each caption type was issued.

So, to summarize, the Williams pose with the dark background was FIRST issued in 1939 and was probably reprinted and made available through 1948 or even early 1949. The second pose, showing a stadium background, was first offered in 1949, probably late I the year, and was undoubtedly available until the magazine when under. A "New York" caption line would have been available at least through 1954, perhaps later until the stock ran out. A "Washington D.C." caption line would have to post-date the magazine's sale to a DC - area publisher, which I believe took place in 1954 or 1955. The last "regular" issue of the magazine came out in 1956, but apparently the premiums were still being produced for another year or so. No word on whether the 1964-65 revival made the earlier premiums available.

There. I hope that's as clear as mud...

Very helpful, thanks!

Evan

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[doug.goodman]

In the spirit of the multiple holidays during the next 10 days, here are the multiple versions of the Archer m113. Among other differences, note the placement of the copyright symbol both under the edge of the picture and to the left of the edge.

Doug "yes, I may be slightly nuts, but different IS different" Goodman

ps - I have fixed my numbering to reflect my agreement with Alan regarding the Williams pictures chronology.

[doug.goodman]

And here are two versions of the O'Toole m113.

Same thing with the copyright placement as the Archer.

Also, note how the second line "The $25,000 Pitcher" isn't as wide in relation to the first line "Marty O'Toole" on the lower scan, only reaching from the "R" in Marty to between the second and third "O"s in O'Toole.

[doug.goodman]

Here are two versions of the Jim Scott m113

[doug.goodman]

There were posters issued in 1957 which measure 17.5 X 20 inches.

Here are scans for :

Johnny Antonelli
Jackie Jensen
Bob Lemon
Chet Nichols
Dean Stone
Mickey Vernon

I also have Bob Turley, but haven't scanned him, yet.


According to the catalog there are also posters for :

Hank Bauer
Frank House
Al Kaline
Al Rosen

Do any of you have any of the missing four?

[Schlesinj]

Here is a Uncle Jimmy that was signed by Lou’s wife.

IMG_2727.jpg

[Harford20]

Originally Posted by akleinb611

Hello everyone. To answer the question asked about the two Ted Williams poses, I believe Doug may have accidentally transposed them, chronologically speaking. The Ted Williams pose showing a very young Williams against a dark background was issued in 1939. There is no way to know precisely when your copy might have been printed, as the M114's were kept in print and were periodically reprinted, until they weren't. There seems to have been frequent tinkering with the typesetting on the captions, which is where Doug's incredibly precise collecting efforts come in, but I don't believe anyone is in a position to know the year or years each caption type was issued.

So, to summarize, the Williams pose with the dark background was FIRST issued in 1939 and was probably reprinted and made available through 1948 or even early 1949. The second pose, showing a stadium background, was first offered in 1949, probably late I the year, and was undoubtedly available until the magazine when under. A "New York" caption line would have been available at least through 1954, perhaps later until the stock ran out. A "Washington D.C." caption line would have to post-date the magazine's sale to a DC - area publisher, which I believe took place in 1954 or 1955. The last "regular" issue of the magazine came out in 1956, but apparently the premiums were still being produced for another year or so. No word on whether the 1964-65 revival made the earlier premiums available.

There. I hope that's as clear as mud...

ALSO Quote from doug.goodman
So, I just posted the two Ted Williams poses, here are the 5 print variations of Pose #2. The DC difference is obvious, but the other 4 are more subtle. I need to learn how to use photoshop so that I can put those 4 in one picture and note the differences. They are subtle, but they are there. Notice the placement of the text versus the designs in the grass and the edges of the picture. Different printings, in my opinion.

Alan, perfect!
Doug, last month, finally picked up my 7th variation for Ted Williams (as you had posted last year--2 versions of the 1939 and 5 versions of the 1949). I agree, in looking at these versions side-by-side, I also believe each is a different print-run, and likely once yearly from 1949 through 1954/55.

I also saw that you picked up another Joe D. variation; will have to keep a look-out for those Ted variations that have not been found yet.

Dave

[doug.goodman]

Here are the three more large sized 1957 poster scans :

Missing only Frank House and Al Kaline...

[doug.goodman]

With thanx to the most recent Huggins & Scott auction, I have added 4 more m114s to my collection (1036 total) with one of them being a previously unseen (at least by me) Mantle pose. That gives him three different issued poses, that I am aware of.

Doug

[doug.goodman]

Congrats to whoever picked up this m114 Willie Mays tonight on ebay, those don't come up very often, and even though it's beat up, I thought the price was pretty good.

I picked up the Rosen for $2.24 instead.

If anybody reading this picked up the group of 15 for $82, I would be interested in the Robin Roberts that was included.

Doug

[doug.goodman]

Good morning -

The combination of the zombie apocalypse, and my natural tendency towards staying up all night, is giving me time to dig into my m114 collection. Alan and myself are combining our lists and are pretty close to having an up to date "checklist" for what the two of us are aware of, and we're also pretty close to asking the rest of you to take a look at it to let us know what we missed.

Until then, here are the lower label print differences (that we know of) for players whose last name starts with "A"...

Avila - 2
BBM-Avila Robert.jpg

Ashburn - 2
BBM-Ashburn Richie.jpg

Appling - 6
BBM-Appling Luke.jpg

Alexander - 2
BBM-Alexander Grover Cleveland.jpg


Since it's 5:35 am, I think I may go to be now.

Doug "or maybe I'll have some rainbow sherbet" Goodman

[doug.goodman]

After a big bowl of rainbow sherbet, here are the players whose last names start with "B" (in two posts).

Blackwell - 3
BBM-Blackwell Ewell.jpg

Bevens - 4
BBM-Bevens Floyd.jpg

Berra - 2
BBM-Berra Larry.jpg

Bearden - 2
BBM-Bearden Eugene.jpg

Bauer - 2
BBM-Bauer Henry.jpg

Bagby Sr. - 2
BBM-Bagby James Sr.jpg

Bagby Jr. - 2
BBM-Bagby James Jr.jpg