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Old 10-29-2019, 03:13 PM
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Restitution for that Gehrig Card alone might bankrupt SGC. I wonder what (if anything) they’ll do if legal recourse is pursued? And who makes this enormous claim? The consignor? The “winning” bidder? Heritage? The person who sold it to the consignor?

What a mess. Just once it would be nice to hear from a major auction house, with specific action that was actually taken to resolve one of these issues. The silence is becoming deafening, and is sucking the trust right out of the hobby.
so the claims are either too small (under 10,000) according to 'Peter C' or they are too enormous...
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Old 10-29-2019, 04:20 PM
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Sadly the high end graded card market must crash first for any of this to positively recover and move in the proper direction. Right now it’s all a Fraud.
I’m not insane I’m just keeping it real to the bottom line.
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Old 10-29-2019, 06:06 PM
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so the claims are either too small (under 10,000) according to 'Peter C' or they are too enormous...
And you’re still a bottom-feeding idiot both in the legal profession and the hobby. Actually the Gehrig card is being addressed. But you don’t know how because, well, you don’t matter.
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I am glad to hear something is being done about the Gehrig. Slabbing the mini-Goudey was not S_C's finest hour.
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Old 10-29-2019, 06:17 PM
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And the Hull as well.
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Old 10-29-2019, 06:35 PM
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Does anyone know if action is being taken to only address trimmed cards?
How about cards that were cleaned, soaked or whatever method that does not leave evidence? I believe these are flying under the radar by the mass. Betting #’s on par with trim jobs.
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Old 10-29-2019, 06:52 PM
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Does anyone know if action is being taken to only address trimmed cards?
How about cards that were cleaned, soaked or whatever method that does not leave evidence? I believe these are flying under the radar by the mass. Betting #’s on par with trim jobs.
Ask your friend Brent, as many are his own creations, no?
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Old 10-29-2019, 06:55 PM
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Ask your friend Brent, as many are his own creations, no?
I appreciate the suggestion Peter. Perhaps others here have some information as well.
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Old 10-29-2019, 07:48 PM
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Actually the Gehrig card is being addressed... And the Hull is as well.
Can you explain what you mean by "addressed"? I'm inferring refunded and then provided to the FBI and/or reholdered as AUTH, but it could mean something else.
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I’m not convinced, the 34 Gehrig in the PSA 8 holder is the same card as the SGC 9 Gehrig, I believe it is NOT THE SAME CARD.

Look Close the right border on the PSA 8 shown, it’s substantially narrower on the PSA Card then the SGC Card in a 9 holder.
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Old 10-30-2019, 07:52 AM
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As I read this thread it appears all the examples are from AH sales.
What about the scenarios in private deals?
What if a buyer ends up with that Gehrig or Hull in a private sale? What recourse is there?

Pretty soon many of these examples will have traded hands multiple times before being identified. Who is liable at that point?
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Old 10-30-2019, 09:41 AM
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As I read this thread it appears all the examples are from AH sales.
What about the scenarios in private deals?
What if a buyer ends up with that Gehrig or Hull in a private sale? What recourse is there?

Pretty soon many of these examples will have traded hands multiple times before being identified. Who is liable at that point?
That's the whole point of the third party guarantees, or was anyhow.
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As I read this thread it appears all the examples are from AH sales.
What about the scenarios in private deals?
What if a buyer ends up with that Gehrig or Hull in a private sale? What recourse is there?

Pretty soon many of these examples will have traded hands multiple times before being identified. Who is liable at that point?
This has already happened on thousands of occasions. It dates back much further than the "current scandal". It's just that the doctors and corrupt dealers were caught earlier this year. There are infinitely more tainted/altered cards currently in private hands than those which have been exposed. It is very difficult to track down the cards' histories, so only a small percentage can be positively identified.

As far as who's liable... PSA needs to be challenged on their supposed guarantee. If the dealer or previous seller is unavailable/untraceable/unable to comply, or if you don't recall where the card originated, then the TPG is your source for compensation. The tainted card was authenticated - slabbed - sold - traded under their "authenticity guarantee".

If PSA isn't willing to comply, or it's a non-PSA Card in question, then it might be time to contact an attorney. And it appears that one is available right here!
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Old 10-30-2019, 02:51 PM
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Peter Chao claimed to be an attorney. Just noting that.
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Old 10-30-2019, 09:54 AM
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I’m not convinced, the 34 Gehrig in the PSA 8 holder is the same card as the SGC 9 Gehrig, I believe it is NOT THE SAME CARD.

Look Close the right border on the PSA 8 shown, it’s substantially narrower on the PSA Card then the SGC Card in a 9 holder.

Dont worry its being 'addressed' Saying its not the same card or the same card when its about a 40k or whatever purchase is no big deal. They will work it out.
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I’m not convinced, the 34 Gehrig in the PSA 8 holder is the same card as the SGC 9 Gehrig, I believe it is NOT THE SAME CARD.

Look Close the right border on the PSA 8 shown, it’s substantially narrower on the PSA Card then the SGC Card in a 9 holder.
Measuring with the cursor, it's the same. And the 11 marks/flaws are like a fingerprint.
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Old 10-31-2019, 08:03 PM
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Old 10-30-2019, 09:52 AM
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And you’re still a bottom-feeding idiot both in the legal profession and the hobby. Actually the Gehrig card is being addressed. But you don’t know how because, well, you don’t matter.
Another bully comment, nice one Peter C.

Glad to see now they you are volunteering previously unknown information to the board as being 'addressed' I am sure you will advise exactly how it was addressed as that would be the point of it. Everything in life is being 'addressed'.

Anyway, if it can be addressed where everybody is happy and no lawsuit needs to be filed then that would be the best option..
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And you’re still a bottom-feeding idiot both in the legal profession and the hobby. Actually the Gehrig card is being addressed. But you don’t know how because, well, you don’t matter.
As an actual bottom feeder in the hobby.... I'm slightly offended.

Now where did my monster box of 88 score get to?
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And you’re still a bottom-feeding idiot both in the legal profession and the hobby. Actually the Gehrig card is being addressed. But you don’t know how because, well, you don’t matter.
So was that Gehrig card 'addressed' or is this info you cant share.... .......you made a a big point that this altered gehrig card was 'being addressed' was it?

You will probably start with an insult but it was you that volunteered the card with 'being addressed' I am only asking you something in which you volunteered information and asking for a follow up, not sure what is wrong with that...
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