Will this stock market madness affect cards?

gawaintheknight · #1 06-10-2020, 07:14 AM

Fine. Is Forbes magazine far enough to the right for you?

KEY FACTS

In its most general definition, �defund the police� means to redirect some funds for police departments to other areas such as education and healthcare while its most radical interpretation calls for completely dismantling police departments and replacing it with a social services-based approach, which Minneapolis may be on track to doing after the City Council voted to disband the city police department.

At first glance, it appears to be a reaction to police brutality, but its origin runs deeper: left-leaning activists and academics have argued for decades that the U.S. spends far too much on security and not enough on social welfare.

At all levels of government, the U.S. spends roughly double on police, prisons, and courts what it spends on food stamps, welfare, and income supplements, The Atlantic reports.

Some �defund the police� proponents argue the U.S. relies on police to do too much; they envision mental health workers and nurses responding to drug overdoses, instead of police officers.

Cities such as Eugene, Oregon, Austin, Texas, and Camden, New Jersey have tried versions of this approach, and Minneapolis could be next: the Minneapolis City Council on Sunday pledged to disband its police department and invest in community-based public safety programs, though it�s not clear what the next steps will be.

For now, though, �defunding the police� appears most likely to succeed as reducing � not defunding, which implies zeroing out � police budgets. On Wednesday, L.A. Mayor Eric Garcetti announced he is throwing out plans for a massive police budget hike and redirecting funds to address problems in the black community.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbre...-really-means/

bobbyw8469 · #2 06-10-2020, 07:30 AM

You are claiming that social welfare is needed. Can it be as simple as the black community raising kids without fathers?? Some of these young women are having 5 and 6 kids with nary a man in sight. These kids are being raised in poverty from the get go. Naturally, most resort to crime as it is the easiest path to embark on.

packs · #3 06-10-2020, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

You are claiming that social welfare is needed. Can it be as simple as the black community raising kids without fathers?? Some of these young women are having 5 and 6 kids with nary a man in sight. These kids are being raised in poverty from the get go. Naturally, most resort to crime as it is the easiest path to embark on.

Let's talk about social welfare. Aren't we seeing social welfare at work right now? Isn't it keeping millions of people from the brink of homelessness? How many people are on unemployment, collecting an extra $600 a week to keep them afloat? How many people are having their evictions stayed? Their foreclosures stayed? Taking advantage of the government suspending student loan payments? Eating free meals provided by public and private assistance? Getting free medical tests? Taking out free small business loans?

Where would the country be right now without social welfare?

Republicaninmass · #4 06-10-2020, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by packs

Let's talk about social welfare. Aren't we seeing social welfare at work right now? Isn't it keeping millions of people from the brink of homelessness? How many people are on unemployment, collecting an extra $600 a week to keep them afloat? How many people are having their evictions stayed? Their foreclosures stayed? Taking advantage of the government suspending student loan payments?

Where would the country be right now without social welfare?

Absolutely , but the working class is/will end up paying for it/paying it back. Not really true Social Welfare. The "disadvantaged group" in the case will have the ANSWER FOR TAKING what was handed out, and have the burden of PAYING FOR THOSE WHO DONT.

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Where would we be? Worse off that we are for sure.

Call me insensitive, where would we be if we never closed the country and had these "hand outs" (again ones the working people will have to pay back) awarded in the first place?

The working class was stunning not as affected by this deadly disease, but they will bear the brunt of paying for it

packs · #5 06-10-2020, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Absolutely , but the working class is/will end up paying for it/paying it back. Not really true Social Welfare. The "disadvantaged group" in the case will have the ANSWER FOR TAKING what was handed out, and have the burden of PAYING FOR THOSE WHO DONT.

So what? Shouldn't people with means pick up the slack for those who don't? Isn't that what makes a community strong? Or on a larger scale, a country?

Republicaninmass · #6 06-10-2020, 08:21 AM

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So what? Shouldn't people with means pick up the slack for those who don't? Isn't that what makes a community strong? Or on a larger scale, a country?

I certainly do, in my quarterly payments to the IRS. It doesn't mean we should reward bad behavior. Some people need assistance, others might be poor, but they ain't stupid. Doesnt there come a point where the burden gets too high?

packs · #7 06-10-2020, 08:37 AM

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I certainly do, in my quarterly payments to the IRS. It doesn't mean we should reward bad behavior. Some people need assistance, others might be poor, but they ain't stupid. Doesnt there come a point where the burden gets too high?

Isn't it too high right now? People are just collecting an extra $600 a week for doing nothing. People aren't paying their rent. Their mortgages. Some people are making more money on unemployment than they did working. Is that the bad behavior you're talking about?

But we're doing it anyway because people are still people and they need to survive. I don't hear anyone calling for an end to social welfare programs as long as they're on one. Do you know anyone who returned their stimulus check? Anyone calling for themselves to be evicted because they can't pay rent? Anyone saying the free meal services should stop allowing them to eat free meals? I'm really not sure what the alternative is that you're suggesting.

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