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1967 topps highs
I understand that and I have not either. I was simply stating that it was possible and would lead to two rows being printed at a significantly higher rate than the others, while one row would be short printed.
The one half sheet I've seen for the 67 high numbers has five rows printed twice and two rows printed once. I have only seen three rows of the second half-sheet and it has one of the double printed rows from the first half sheet printed twice, and one of the single printed rows printed once. Thus, in the fifteen rows I've seen, one row was printed four times, five rows printed twice, and one row printed once. It will be interesting to see if the frequency of the remaining nine rows can be determined. |
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Plenty of questions remain though. Did a production issue scotch a row and cause a weird pattern? Are the differing layouts related to how the cards were packed? DO certain rows suffer production issues causing them to sometimes be pulled and discarded? Last edited by toppcat; 07-06-2020 at 11:42 AM. |
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1967 topps highs
This is obviously pure speculation on my part but if Topps used a similar printing pattern to what they did in several other years, I expect the last seven rows on the second half-sheet to be headed by (in order): 557, 576, 580, 531, 550, 547, 558.
From what I have seen from 77 card print runs from 1965, 1966, 1967, 1968, and 1969, Topps used a pattern (with seven unique rows labeled A thru G) like: 1. One half-sheet: A, B, C, D, E, A, F, G, B, C, D, E 2. 2nd half-sheet: variable two rows (in 1967 A, F), followed by A, F, G, B, C, D, E, A, F, G. From what you have shown, this pattern seems to be appearing in 1967 as well. The first half-sheet has the pattern A, B, C, D, E, A, F, G, B, C, D, E while the other has: A, F, A, F, G. Thus, this five row snippet MIGHT be followed by B, C, D, E, A, F, G. Unfortunately, no miscut information will identify if that is the pattern; only that it isn't. This is because row C is always underneath row B, row D is always under row C, etc. However, if a miscut is found that violates this pattern, that would be very helpful!! If (and it is IF) this speculation is true, row A, with Pinson, would be printed five times across the two half sheets, row F (with Rohr) 4x, and five rows (Ferrara, Hernandez rookie, Colavito, Checklist, & Belanger rookie) 3x each. This would make the cards in the Pinson row almost double-printed (5:3 ratio), while the cards in the Rohr row (4:3 ratio) printed at a slightly higher rate than those of the other 54 cards. The checklist, is naturally, printed at a higher frequency since it was also printed in the prior print run. |
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Checked my 67 set, no high number miscuts, or even close really. Last edited by toppcat; 07-06-2020 at 03:04 PM. |
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So I went on to ComC and looked at the number of cards for sale for each of the '67s listed below to try to get some hard data for relative population numbers. This accounts for both slabbed and unslabbed cards. Probably the real outliers are the Seaver and Carew RCs, which I would imagine reside in higher numbers in PCs than most of the others. If you could define the relative printing of the card per sheet as 1X, 2X, 3X, 4X etc, then you could generate bins or buckets that each card would fall into based statistical analysis of the relative populations. Not perfect, but it does give more insight on the relative scarcity of the high numbers. And shows, statistically, why I had to pay through the nose for Mike Shannon.
SUBJECT B SHEET SCD BECKETT ComCpop 531 7TH SERIES CHECKLIST DP 23 534 BAUER SP DP DP 32 535 CLENDENON 13 536 CUBS ROOKIES (J. NIEKRO) 6 537 ESTRADA DP DP 22 538 MARTIN 8 539 EGAN SP DP DP 16 540 CASH 8 541 GIBBON 6 542 A'S ROOKIES (MONDAY) SP DP DP 18 543 SCHNEIDER 15 544 INDIANS TEAM 9 545 GRANT 9 546 WOODWARD 6 547 RED SOX ROOKIES SP DP DP 17 548 GONZALEZ DP DP 25 549 SANFORD 13 550 PINSON DP DP 14 551 CAMILLI DP DP 25 552 SAVAGE SP 7 553 YANKEES ROOKIES SP 10 554 RODGERS SP DP DP 21 555 CARDWELL 16 556 WEIS SP DP DP 18 557 FERRARA 13 558 ORIOLES ROOKIES (BELANGER) SP 17 559 TRACEWSKI DP DP 24 560 BUNNING 13 561 ALOMAR 9 562 BLASS SP DP DP 13 563 ADCOCK SP 13 564 ASTROS ROOKIES SP DP DP 12 565 KRAUSSE 4 566 GEIGER DP DP 31 567 HAMILTON (YANKEES) 12 568 SULLIVAN SP 8 569 A.L. ROOKIES (CAREW) DP DP 6 570 WILLS 13 571 SHERRY 10 572 DEMETER 13 573 WHITE SOX TEAM 6 574 BUCHEK 8 575 BOSWELL 4 576 N.L. ROOKIES 12 577 SHORT 8 578 BOCCABELLA 11 579 HENRY 18 580 COLAVITO 11 581 METS ROOKIES (SEAVER) SP 6 582 OWENS DP DP 30 583 BARKER (YANKEES) 12 584 PIERSALL 14 585 BUNKER 13 586 JIMINEZ SP 13 587 N.L. ROOKIES 12 588 KLIPPSTEIN SP DP DP 18 589 RICKETTS DP DP 24 590 RICHERT 12 591 CLINE SP 13 592 N.L. ROOKIES 15 593 WESTRUM 13 594 OSINSKI 19 595 ROJAS 16 596 CISCO SP DP DP 18 597 ABERNATHY SP 14 598 WHITE SOX ROOKIES 10 599 DULIBA DP DP 36 600 B. ROBINSON SP 9 601 BRYAN SP DP 26 602 PIZARRO 13 603 A'S ROOKIES SP 10 604 RED SOX TEAM 9 605 SHANNON 8 606 TAYLOR 19 607 STANLEY SP 17 608 CUBS ROOKIES DP DP 30 609 JOHN 16
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Tom:
Thanks for that canvass of COMC it's both interesting and weird. Shannon has always been thought of as tough, at least since the first tabulation data started coming through in the late 70's and early 80's. Of the single digit pops, only two (552 and 568) correlate to my SP2 row so it does seem something is afoot. If this pop data could be worked out by row it might show an obvious pattern. I did something a little similar with the 52 highs using eBay and figured out two rows (251-260 and 261-270) were DP's and that the highs look to have been printed at half the semi high SP rate. If you know the rows it takes out some of the individual card "noise". I'll try that here if I have time later today and maybe compare it to eBay too (factoring out COMC). I'll repost my scans too if the don't repopulate on the database rebuild Leon is doing right now. Last edited by toppcat; 07-09-2020 at 07:55 AM. |
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One quick note on why so few Carews and Seavers was for many years it was truly not economically feasible to send those really high dollar cards to COMC because of the fee structure.
My first NSCC working for COMC the most consistent complaint I received was the cash out fees for expensive cards was way too steep. With some changes in the past couple of years, the fee structure is now competitive with just about any other selling source. There are bog posts in the COMC blog explaining all those changes. Rich
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