At least 14 Florida Marlins test + covid

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

The "miracle drug" has been proven to be effective by many doctors that have come out publicly claiming to have great results with their patients. The latest one, Dr. Stella Immanuel, claims to have treated over 350 patients, many with underlying conditions, and hasn't lost one patient. But social media keeps shutting these doctors down. That's not a conspiracy theory, it's a fact. So why? These doctors have no motivation for sharing their results. Does it work on everybody? Probably not, but what drug does? Are there side effects? Sure, but what drug doesn't have possible side effects? And unfortunately heart problems are one. But if I'm diagnosed with the disease, you can bet I'm taking the "miracle drug" for a fast recovery.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uYkIK6-TNok

https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/...eiZBwgkjBKpBt8

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.fre...amp/2955430001

Have you by chance read what else Dr. Stella has discussed? You know, the aliens and such? Would you take what Dr. Stella is selling without any proof of her claims? Do you believe Dr. Stella when she says masks are useless?

[timn1]

Now there’s an authority for all you guys who think world class expertise (like Tony Fauci) is hogwash.

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Have you by chance read what else Dr. Stella has discussed? You know, the aliens and such? Would you take what Dr. Stella is selling without any proof of her claims? Do you believe Dr. Stella when she says masks are useless?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Have you by chance read what else Dr. Stella has discussed? You know, the aliens and such? Would you take what Dr. Stella is selling without any proof of her claims? Do you believe Dr. Stella when she says masks are useless?

I don't care what else she's discussed. How is that relevant to this discussion? Or are you just trying to derail my point?

What about the Henry Ford Health article?

What about the congresswoman?

Do you want more articles?

The "miracle drug" has proven to be effective whether you want to believe it or not. The truth is still the truth, even if no one believes it. A lie is still a lie, even if everyone believes it.

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I don't care what else she's discussed. How is that relevant to this discussion? Or are you just trying to derail my point?

What about the Henry Ford Health article?

What about the congresswoman?

Do you want more articles?

The "miracle drug" has proven to be effective whether you want to believe it or not. The truth is still the truth, even if no one believes it. A lie is still a lie, even if everyone believes it.

Hey, you brought her up as someone whose expertise we should listen to, both by quoting her and showing her video. If the fact that in many other aspects of her career she may be approaching quackery doesn't bother you, fine.

As for hydroxychloroquine, heck, I wish it were the cure. I'm sure it can help many, as is. But it appears that it isn't for everybody. (And don't worry, I can find my own articles, but thanks!)

https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/08/...pay-the-price/

https://medcitynews.com/2020/07/hydr...rate-covid-19/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexled.../#4b032f37f912

https://www.reuters.com/article/heal...-idUSKBN2340A6

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/hydrox...rials-tell-us/

And just to lighten the mood, let's not forget these geniuses:
https://www.pharmacypracticenews.com...COVID-19/57707

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Hey, you brought her up as someone whose expertise we should listen to, both by quoting her and showing her video. If the fact that in many other aspects of her career she may be approaching quackery doesn't bother you, fine.

As for hydroxychloroquine, heck, I wish it were the cure. I'm sure it can help many, as is. But it appears that it isn't for everybody. (And don't worry, I can find my own articles, but thanks!)

https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/08/...pay-the-price/

https://medcitynews.com/2020/07/hydr...rate-covid-19/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexled.../#4b032f37f912

https://www.reuters.com/article/heal...-idUSKBN2340A6

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/hydrox...rials-tell-us/

And just to lighten the mood, let's not forget these geniuses:
https://www.pharmacypracticenews.com...COVID-19/57707

We can both go back and forth linking articles trying to prove our point. Here's some more:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/english...irus-treatment

https://www.kitv.com/story/41973015/...id19-treatment

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eVs_EWVCVPc

But what's the point? Are your articles and sources more reliable than mine? Nope!

If I get the Virus, I'm going to use the "miracle drug" that thousands of other doctors in the US are prescribing and having success with. But that's just me. I make my own healthcare choices. You can make the healthcare choices that you believe are right for you.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

And just to lighten the mood, let's not forget these geniuses:
https://www.pharmacypracticenews.com...COVID-19/57707

That case was almost certainly murder.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Hey, you brought her up as someone whose expertise we should listen to, both by quoting her and showing her video. If the fact that in many other aspects of her career she may be approaching quackery doesn't bother you, fine.

Listen if you can't trust somebody who believes you get genital cysts from dreaming about sleeping with demons, who CAN you trust?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Tabe

Listen if you can't trust somebody who believes you get genital cysts from dreaming about sleeping with demons, who CAN you trust?

Here's an article from a doctor that has treated 699 Coronavirus patients with the "miracle drug," all with 100% effectiveness. The article is 4 months old, so I'm sure the numbers are much larger now.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/english...irus-treatment

Hey, maybe you can try to discredit this doctor too as it's obvious you don't have anything useful to add.

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Here's an article from a doctor that has treated 699 Coronavirus patients with the "miracle drug," all with 100% effectiveness. The article is 4 months old, so I'm sure the numbers are much larger now.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/english...irus-treatment

Hey, maybe you can try to discredit this doctor too as it's obvious you don't have anything useful to add.

I'm not sure why looking into the credentials or background of someone who touts a cure that is a departure from most agreed-upon medical research is not "useful"?? I don't particularly trust the government (either side) or media (either side,) but before completely trusting someone highly touted by the far-right or far-left, how about some research?

As I said before, I'd be thrilled if some sort of chloroquine cure would work for everyone, or even most. But when a big pharma company that actually sells the drug says "hey, we don't want this touted as curing covid because there is no research to say it does," that gives me pause. When research groups from the US cancel trials because they feel there is danger, it's easy to say "politics." But what about when researchers from OUTSIDE the US say the same thing? I've heard zinc and vitamin D is great for helping people, but if you go back before covid, you can find many articles showing how too many people lack zinc and vitamin d in their daily diets, so maybe that's part of the problem?

As for Dr. Zelenko, he claimed to have treated and cured xxx amount of covid patients, depending on the source. However, he also states that early on in the pandemic, he didn't even bother testing his patients, he just gave his cocktail to anyone at risk, even if they were asymptomatic. I don't think that gives credence to his numbers. Also, it does not appear that he has gone on to save "much larger numbers."

"Dr. Vladimir “Zev” Zelenko, family practitioner and major proponent of the use of hydroxychloroquine, zinc, and azithromycin to treat COVID -19. Among his claims is that he treated anywhere from 300 to 1450 COVID-19 patients. Of 405 high risk patients treated early in the course of their illnesses, there were “2 deaths, four on respirators. The rest recovered fully.” Those are mighty impressive numbers, but no one else has seen the data. It should come as no surprise that the fact checking website Snopes was unable to substantiate his claims.

After community leaders in the town where he practiced criticized him for spreading misinformation, Zelenko decided to leave his practice—destination unknown." It appears now he has written a book and is starting a website.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

I'm not sure why looking into the credentials or background of someone who touts a cure that is a departure from most agreed-upon medical research is not "useful"?? I don't particularly trust the government (either side) or media (either side,) but before completely trusting someone highly touted by the far-right or far-left, how about some research?

As I said before, I'd be thrilled if some sort of chloroquine cure would work for everyone, or even most. But when a big pharma company that actually sells the drug says "hey, we don't want this touted as curing covid because there is no research to say it does," that gives me pause. When research groups from the US cancel trials because they feel there is danger, it's easy to say "politics." But what about when researchers from OUTSIDE the US say the same thing? I've heard zinc and vitamin D is great for helping people, but if you go back before covid, you can find many articles showing how too many people lack zinc and vitamin d in their daily diets, so maybe that's part of the problem?

As for Dr. Zelenko, he claimed to have treated and cured xxx amount of covid patients, depending on the source. However, he also states that early on in the pandemic, he didn't even bother testing his patients, he just gave his cocktail to anyone at risk, even if they were asymptomatic. I don't think that gives credence to his numbers. Also, it does not appear that he has gone on to save "much larger numbers."

"Dr. Vladimir “Zev” Zelenko, family practitioner and major proponent of the use of hydroxychloroquine, zinc, and azithromycin to treat COVID -19. Among his claims is that he treated anywhere from 300 to 1450 COVID-19 patients. Of 405 high risk patients treated early in the course of their illnesses, there were “2 deaths, four on respirators. The rest recovered fully.” Those are mighty impressive numbers, but no one else has seen the data. It should come as no surprise that the fact checking website Snopes was unable to substantiate his claims.

After community leaders in the town where he practiced criticized him for spreading misinformation, Zelenko decided to leave his practice—destination unknown." It appears now he has written a book and is starting a website.

Loud hand clap of applause for amazing copy and paste skills. But do you have an original thought of your own?

A quick internet search reveals that Dr. Zalenko moved his practice to another location within the same city, but his practice is still open for business. You can call and verify it if you want (845) 782-0000.

Destination unknown? Another quick internet search shows Dr. Zalenko is currently in the hospital undergoing cancer treatment.

You'e look ridiculous trying to discredit Dr Immanuel. You continue to look ridiculous by trying to discredit Dr. Zalenko.

I'll give you one more shot. How about trying to discredit the Michigan State Rep who credits her recovery to Hydroxychloroquine?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ry/2967210001/

[MooseDog]

You do realize that Al-Arabiya is basically the Fox News of Saudi Arabia and owned by the Saudi Royal Family.

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Here's an article from a doctor that has treated 699 Coronavirus patients with the "miracle drug," all with 100% effectiveness. The article is 4 months old, so I'm sure the numbers are much larger now.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/english...irus-treatment

Hey, maybe you can try to discredit this doctor too as it's obvious you don't have anything useful to add.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by MooseDog

You do realize that Al-Arabiya is basically the Fox News of Saudi Arabia and owned by the Saudi Royal Family.

Truth is truth no matter the source. I just linked one source, there are many others. You should check them out.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Here's an article from a doctor that has treated 699 Coronavirus patients with the "miracle drug," all with 100% effectiveness. The article is 4 months old, so I'm sure the numbers are much larger now.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/english...irus-treatment

Hey, maybe you can try to discredit this doctor too as it's obvious you don't have anything useful to add.

You mean the guy being investigated by federal prosecutors for lying about a study being approved by the FDA?

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Tabe

Listen if you can't trust somebody who believes you get genital cysts from dreaming about sleeping with demons, who CAN you trust?

Buhahaha! classic

[Republicaninmass]

Funny, people can argue until they are blue in the face, but still cant manage, or take the time, to differentiate between a cure vs a treatment vs a vaccine.


Coming in November there will be a novel "rhino" virus that will be much more contagious than Swine flu.

[KMayUSA6060]

Rumor is the Marlins went out to a club in Atlanta.

What role does accountability play, and what kind of emphasis should be put on it? Season suspension?