Reasons I hate card companies

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by todeen

I don't buy relic cards anymore. I look for straight auto cards without the relic because the relic doesn't even have to be from the player on the card. No reason to invest for something pointless. However, those late 90s early 2000s relics are legit. I have a piece of Jackie Robinson pants from the Fleer Traditions Negro Leagues set.

Not a comment on those cards because i know nothing abut them. I do like how whatever we as collectors actually collect. We think is real and unaltered but everything else can be fake/altered.

[Topnotchsy]

Originally Posted by todeen

I don't buy relic cards anymore. I look for straight auto cards without the relic because the relic doesn't even have to be from the player on the card. No reason to invest for something pointless. However, those late 90s early 2000s relics are legit. I have a piece of Jackie Robinson pants from the Fleer Traditions Negro Leagues set.

Why do you think they relic isn't from the player on the card? I feel weird defending the card companies, since I don't like a lot of what they have done, but there's no indication that this is being done. It may have happened by mistake, but don't believe there's any indication for anything beyond that.

If you look at particular vintage players over the years, you can generally see that the details (material, pinstripes etc) indicate they are using the same jersey for the same player for years, and those match what would have been appropriate for the players.

Originally Posted by bnorth

Not a comment on those cards because i know nothing abut them. I do like how whatever we as collectors actually collect. We think is real and unaltered but everything else can be fake/altered.

The card companies were definitely much more explicit about the material in the cards in the early years, and were pretty public with at least some of the items they picked up that were cut up. They became much less specific over the years, and from the kinds of material in the cards it seems clear that at least some cases were Old Timer's Jerseys, Coaching jerseys etc.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Not a comment on those cards because i know nothing abut them. I do like how whatever we as collectors actually collect. We think is real and unaltered but everything else can be fake/altered.

I'd never thought about it like that! I just remember all the uproar when relic cards first started coming out. "I can't believe they cut up (enter Players name) (enter players relic). How could they destroy history?" At some point that uproar went away when they changed their comment of authentication to be more generic. And the prices of relic cards dropped too. I figured the combination of both indicated that generic pieces of jersey were being used on cards, rather than finding actual jerseys bats balls pants bases from particular players/stadiums/etc. Maybe we all just became numb and bored with them. But those original UD Piece of History relic cards have sure held their value compared to other relic cards.

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