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Mark Howe was a fine one, well worthy of induction regardless of the family name. Incidentally,
his injury wasn't due to the net being anchored, but to its shape -- 'twas the spike formed by the junction of the two semicircles of the back of the goal that produced the injury, and the injury caused the shape of the nets to be changed soon thereafter. Now, for your consideration... Three well-respected defensive forwards of the '70s, '80s, and '90s. Two are honoured in the Hall of Fame. One, while a decent player, does not belong there. One is borderline, famous mainly on the shoulders of his teammates' success. One is richly deserving of enshrinement but has never even been deemed worthy of consideration by the idiot selectors. Guess which is which. yrs GP __ G _ A_ Pts_ +/-_PIM 20+G 50+P Playoffs GP__G__A_Pts_ +/- _PIM 19 1318_ 260 403 663_ 186 820 _ 5 __ 5 ____ 17_ 231_ 38 55 93 _ 5__ 161 14 1070_ 252 420 672_ 324 201 _ 8 __ 8 ____ 12__ 89_ 17 31 48 _ 5___ 27 16 1160_ 239 262 501_ 201 585 _ 4 __ 0 ____ 16_ 182_ 25 48 73 _ 5__ 151
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As a Ranger fan I always felt that Walt Tkaczuk was a better two way player than Bob Gainey & would be in the hall if the two had switched teams.
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But I digress. I'm with you, I am not a Gainey fan. But those are pretty heady comments from Potvin and the CCCP coach (name escapes me). You want to talk about overrated, and Howard, you saw his entire career, Guy Carbonneau. I know you are a Ranger fan and that Isles team was probaby kryptonite for you at the time, but if I said, "Howard, choose between Guy Carbonneau or Butch Goring to start your team" are you ever picking Carbonneau? I mean, ever? Butch every time. Honestly, you could have put Bob Bourne on those Habs teams and he would have been enshrined. Last edited by Kevin; 12-09-2020 at 06:31 PM. |
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I remember reading that Craig Ramsey is the last player to go an entire season without committing a single penalty.
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Ahh...that's the non-hall of famer Butch meant. Better offensive player than the other two & on par defensively but like my guy, Tkaczuk, Ramsey never won a Stanley Cup. Strangely, while Gainey was elevated by his teammates, Ramsey seemed to be overshadowed by his (the French Connection line of Martin, Perrault & Robert).
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Very good, lads. Yes, the stat lines are, in order, top to bottom,
Gainey (HOF despite a minus player in many of his seasons by properly adjusted +/- ), Ramsay (8 straight 20+ goal campaigns, 8 straight 50+ points, 787 consecutive games played, 0 PIM in 1973-74), and Carbonneau (HOF -- just, "why"?). Ramsay was not just on par with anyone else defensively, he was better by miles. Look again at his +/- totals, noting also that he played 90 to 240 fewer games than the other two. Agreed, Tkaczuk was criminally underrated. The team you're on means so much. 1975-79 Canadiens were indeed probably the greatest team(s) ever, but c'mon, not every guy on those clubs rates as a Hall of Famer.
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The highlight of Tkaczuk's career was the 1972 Cup finals. He dominated Phil Esposito. Kept him goalless for the entire series which was a major accomplishment. Tkaczuk would have won his Cup had Jean Ratelle not suffered a fractured ankle. Tkaczuk's play declined (along with the ranger team as a whole) starting in 74-75. He was the subject of trade rumors but he had a hefty salary that couldn't be moved. His career was revived in the late 1970's and had several more solid seasons. Canadiens of the 1970's are like Lombardi's Green Bay Packers. Just put the time in and you will eventually get into the Hall of Fame. |
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I think he was referring to Carboneau, Gainey and Craig Ramsey
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