PSA 9 52 Topps Mantle sells for $5.2M

[68Hawk]

Originally Posted by Huysmans

Yeah, formulating an opinion is great, but hearing the same old song and dance about how everyone finds their own children to be something so utterly special and worth mentioning to others ad nauseam is tiresome.

They're your kids, so surprise surprise, OF COURSE they're special little angels that are misunderstood and able to do anything and everything.

I don't share that bias. I actually judge others on what they say and do, something most parents cannot objectively do about their own children.

Sorry for being honest, but we obviously won't agree.

I wonder if your parents ever found you special and worth mentioning grouchy pants?

Ad nauseam??? Not sure we hear too much about eachothers children on this site, I was using mine not to gloat but to give reference to ones I know, see, hear, watch in concert with others, and have done so for hundreds of thousands of hours up close over 18 years.

I know, terrible lack of perspective from your point of view.
Strange how parents with such experience must be terrible 'experts' at such opinions whereas gaining similar experience in other endeavors rates as expertise.

LOL, says this 52 year old man.

[Huysmans]

Originally Posted by 68Hawk

I wonder if your parents ever found you special and worth mentioning grouchy pants?

Ad nauseam??? Not sure we hear too much about eachothers children on this site, I was using mine not to gloat but to give reference to ones I know, see, hear, watch in concert with others, and have done so for hundreds of thousands of hours up close over 18 years.

I know, terrible lack of perspective from your point of view.
Strange how parents with such experience must be terrible 'experts' at such opinions whereas gaining similar experience in other endeavors rates as expertise.

LOL, says this 52 year old man.

Uhhh, yeah, people who are in a cult also have all the first-hand expertise in the world, but NO ONE would ever expect a fair and honest judgement of said cult from them

Thinking your objective about your own children instead of admitting and accepting your utter bias... now THAT is LOL!

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Huysmans

Thinking your objective about your own children instead of admitting and accepting your utter bias... now THAT is LOL!

Just a quick note: LOL does not mean Lots Of Love, it means Laugh Out Loud.

[cardsagain74]

In other news, there is now just one '52 T Mantle graded above a 1 listed on ebay for less than 200,000 now. A PSA 3 for 85 k.

A brand new level of disappearing supply for it

[68Hawk]

Originally Posted by cardsagain74

In other news, there is now just one '52 T Mantle graded above a 1 listed on ebay for less than 200,000 now. A PSA 3 for 85 k.

A brand new level of disappearing supply for it

That's wild.
Is your impression those listings are just fanciful ebay sellers hoping to strike it lucky with an impatient less than well informed buyer, or are Auction results heading that way?
Any idea what recent sales of graded 2-4 have been achieving at trusted auction sites?

[cardsagain74]

Originally Posted by 68Hawk

That's wild.
Is your impression those listings are just fanciful ebay sellers hoping to strike it lucky with an impatient less than well informed buyer, or are Auction results heading that way?
Any idea what recent sales of graded 2-4 have been achieving at trusted auction sites?

In the last week, a PSA 4 and a PSA 6 OC sold for around 50 k, a centered PSA 2 for 40 k, and the redheaded stepchild of the listings (an SGC 3.5 that was a good bit OC L/R) for 35 k.

Looks like its market is in that temporary pause mode now, where the new listings are taking stabs at just how much they can get (in a spot with little to no competing supply)

At this point, it's anyone's guess if people actually will pay 85 k for a PSA 3, or offer 45 k for the PSA 1. May not take too long to find out.

Now a second one popped up, at the top of possible asking prices again. A PSA 3.5 that's not even centered that great. 100 k OBO

[68Hawk]

Originally Posted by cardsagain74

In the last week, a PSA 4 and a PSA 6 OC sold for around 50 k, a centered PSA 2 for 40 k, and the redheaded stepchild of the listings (an SGC 3.5 that was a good bit OC L/R) for 35 k.

Looks like its market is in that temporary pause mode now, where the new listings are taking stabs at just how much they can get (in a spot with little to no competing supply)

At this point, it's anyone's guess if people actually will pay 85 k for a PSA 3, or offer 45 k for the PSA 1. May not take too long to find out.

Now a second one popped up, at the top of possible asking prices again. A PSA 3.5 that's not even centered that great. 100 k OBO

Thanks, certainly interesting to see that rising tide.
Funnily enough, I think we're just at the beginning of a serious rise in prices of highly collectable vintage cardboard.

In the 50's/60's/70's hardcore collectors outside of kids buying/flipping/spoke splicing were largely seen as oddballs.
In the 80's there was a swell in the collector brigade as the hobby became full fledged, but it was still very niche and fixed to real collectors and their kids.
The 90's brought some broader speculation, but that again mainly came from within the collector base.
A die off in the early 2000's, then somewhere around 2-3 years ago the concept of enjoyment of collecting - as in owning and holding something that has rising value as well as its emotional sporting connection - crept out of the standard hobby masses into mainstream. With some media splash the broader population became aware that this pocket portraiture stuff was legit and somewhat interesting and not simply 'weird' for poorly socialized 50 something child-men to lovingly handle.
With the enormous growth in modern collector numbers over the last 24 months, mainstream sports fans have been chasing the 'goats' of various sports from within their living memory, and subsequently given over to a tsunami of money into the rarest or important cards of particular players.

IMO, the hard financial numbers of modern sportscards have largely eclipsed vintage in many cases and those modern collectors have started history checking back earlier and earlier to find the greats of each sport back to the 60's.
But they will sate that itch too and inevitably become intrigued in 'investing' and owning much earlier vintage card of the sort discussed on this site.

Because of the far more limited sportscard stock that's survived of early baseball greats, we may see a doubling or tripling of prices for vintage in the next 2-3 years as the relative value is considered highly desirable in comparison to 40k to 1.8m cards of 'modern' players.

If you want in, as hard as it may seem to digest now at current prices, you will be kicking yourself in 5 years if you again put off collecting what is very difficult to afford now - when it becomes unquestionably unaffordable for most tomorrow.

[notfast]

Originally Posted by cardsagain74

In the last week, a PSA 4 and a PSA 6 OC sold for around 50 k, a centered PSA 2 for 40 k, and the redheaded stepchild of the listings (an SGC 3.5 that was a good bit OC L/R) for 35 k.

Looks like its market is in that temporary pause mode now, where the new listings are taking stabs at just how much they can get (in a spot with little to no competing supply)

At this point, it's anyone's guess if people actually will pay 85 k for a PSA 3, or offer 45 k for the PSA 1. May not take too long to find out.

Now a second one popped up, at the top of possible asking prices again. A PSA 3.5 that's not even centered that great. 100 k OBO

I wonder how valid those recent sales numbers are. I’m always skeptical of eBay sales immediately after something is pumped up.

[68Hawk]

Originally Posted by Huysmans

Uhhh, yeah, people who are in a cult also have all the first-hand expertise in the world, but NO ONE would ever expect a fair and honest judgement of said cult from them

Thinking your objective about your own children instead of admitting and accepting your utter bias... now THAT is LOL!

You're a super weird dude.