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Keep an eye on players who played in the Negro Leagues. Once MLB adds their stats to the official record, their stats will be impressive, and collectors will take notice.
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We are all entitled to our opinions. But as long as AH's keep propagating that the Leaf is his rookie, like you said, just to sell a card, then that myth will continue. You can split whatever hair you want in defining what the definition of a "national issue" means. But to me if they were available in other cities, even if it was only in black neighborhoods, then that counts. I could be wrong and the Leaf reigns supreme. But, as more people are educated on the Bond Bread set the perception could change.
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The 1948 Swell Sports Thrills predates the Leaf Robinson...
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It is a historically significant card. That should supersede anything about the Leaf. I believe in time it will.
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Off topic, but can someone tell me what this PSA 9 Jackie finished for tonight including the BP.
https://goldinauctions.com/1952_Topp...-LOT77920.aspx
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Wow, just under a million.
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Definitions are what you make of them. The Bond Bread portrait card is one of the most significant issues in baseball card history and its place should be higher whether it’s “regional” or not. It predates the Leaf by at least a year and in some cases 2 years since Leaf was issued into 1949. |
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if the 'rookie' is predated by other cards, often for years, then what's the point of the 'rookie' designation other than marketing? As I pointed out, and as Ted Z will attest, the Leaf was not issued in 1948, it was issued in 1949. That makes the 1949 Bowman just as much of a RC.
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Tough to find a numerically graded example under 10k these days. Great looking card and a key high number of the 1952 Topps set. Important card on many fronts.
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There is enough evidence, as the Goldin description points out, that the cards were available in mostly every major American city and even Canada. If something is available in every major city it is nationally distributed in my opinion.
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Not only that, the evidence Goldin cites shows that the portrait was first in 1947 but the next six cards were issued in 1948, BEFORE the Leaf card. So, there are seven different cards from this issue that absolutely predate the Leaf card. Then there are the rounded-corner set of 48 cards. That one also predates the 1949-issued Leaf card. Also, the Jackie Robinson Exhibit card was issued 1949 or earlier.
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Reguardless of which card is his Rookie, we are talking about the next big card in this thread. Both the Leaf and the 1952 Topps are gaining much more quickly than the Bond Bread cards...likely because they are more widely recognized and key cards to multi-player sets.
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Parade Sportive predates any of the ones just discussed.
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I could see the 1953 Topps Jackie Robinson taking off, although I haven't been following unsigned ones too closely. Signed copies have gone through the roof lately, to the point where I would be priced out if I still needed one. It's a beautiful card, and #1 in the set.
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Neither qualifies as the next big thing--already there.
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Memory Lane has the entire Swell Set with the Jackie Robinson in a high grade PSA 4 right now. Let’s see where it goes. People on eBay trying to push 1.5s at $12500
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As for next cards, I can tell you that the heat wave hasn't reached most football, hockey or boxing. Marquee star players have gone up but rank and file HOFers not yet. Not a bad time to be snapping up inexpensive second-tier cards.
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Any idea where the current line lies, especially in football, for cards that haven't shot up yet? Many of the HOFers may never really appreciate (in my amateur and often wrong opinion). I love Ernie Barnes (as much or more for his painting as his playing), Rosie Grier, and Merlin Olsen, but I'm not sure enough collectors ever will top make a difference..... |
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Don't get me wrong, it is a beautiful, significant and important card...in any condition.
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Looks like the '52 Topps Mantle is the next really big one. A PSA 3 just "sold" for $75K. A nice PSA 1.5 is at $36K.
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1000%. It may never catch the Leaf in dollar amount, but has historically been a better value, and given its relative scarcity, has a lot more room to grow once the main stream collectors... errr, investors, get wind of it, and the fact it pre-dates Leaf by 2x years. Up until a few months ago it still seemed pretty easy to get a nice looking low grade example. No longer. Similar applies for the round corner version.
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I concur, which is why I am hanging on to mine.
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I'm with you too Adam. I think this is the sentiment of those that have one. Most likely the reason we don't see many hit the auction block. It would be interesting to see what prices would be if a handful did hit the market.
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Nicer looking than the 1949 Leaf too.
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One player I'm surprised never really took off is Yogi Berra. An argument could be made for the greatest MLB catcher of all time, certainly top five. Ten World Series championships as player. One of the greatest baseball personalities off the diamond. Long career with one of the top franchises. Etc. Admittedly, he wasn't a home run king, but 358 career HRs is pretty impressive.
Maybe his long career hurts him some. 40+ years in the majors as player/coach/manager doesn't exactly lead to a rarity factor. He was always second or third fiddle on the Yankees, which almost anyone would be next to DiMaggio, Mantle, etc. And he didn't exactly have the leading man looks of Williams, Mantle, or Clemente. Still, all told, especially given that his early cards are part of some iconic sets, I'm pleasantly surprised most of them are still (relatively) affordable. I love Yogi and like to pick up his cards when I can, so on net I guess it's positive.... |
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I believe both Spahn and Snider are undervalued as well. Both of them are featured in some of the most iconic sets and most of their 1950s cards are highly visually appealing.
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The rounded corner Bond Bread Robinson has been increasing steadily over the past few years, but if this sale is legit, seems may be ready for a breakout.
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I know it’s basketball but I think Lebron rookies will be big cards. Not as big as Jordan but in a few years I think the same cycle will repeat where people who have grown up will now want the cards of Lebron.
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It was a pretty easy card to get a few years ago, routinely coming up for auction, and there were always a few slightly above market BINs at any given time. Just having a few of any card listed makes those seeking it feel more at ease about getting one. However seems like with many semi scarce vintage cards now, when the BINs sell, they’re not necessarily being replaced with others. I think these are being absorbed up into collections, or with investors who see more upside. |
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I've been trying to get an example of this card recently and finally succeeded. The past few months it has been gaining a huge amount of traction as (yet another) Robinson RC. While some people argue "it's just a highlights set", I still feel it has a legit claim as a rookie card. Sure wish I'd known about this card years ago so I could've afforded a nicer example. This card has far more than doubled in price in the past two months, and there are only 164 graded by PSA compared to 1400 Leaf rookie cards. I'm sure I overpaid, but there were 31 bids from 17 different bidders, so I'm obviously not alone.
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The Next "Big Cards"
There is a Complete Set in Memory Lane right now too. With a PSA 4.
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I think there is a chance the Swell Jackie really takes off into the stratosphere. My second choice would be 49B Paige.
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Old Gold sold last night for close to $8K too. Think folks are hot to find alternates to the Leaf since it’s taken off. With a handful of pre-1949 issues to choose from, I’d guess all will be on the rise. Wish I landed an Old Gold and Swell Sports when they were cheap.
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As far as affordable alternatives go for Jackie, I always thought the 1950 J.J.K. Copyart Postcard of Jackie Robinson was a great piece. It seems like forever it was one of the cheapest career contemporary Jackie items. Even four days ago one sold for $215 on ebay. I have one of these, let's pump it up guys!
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Ha! You can't pump it up until you own a few of them- one to keep and a few to sell.
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One of the biggest regrets I have in collecting is being satisfied with one. I remember when I bought my Ruth World Wide Gum I felt so accomplished because I had a Ruth. For some reason it never occurred to me that I should keep buying them.
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