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You didn't answer my question. The reasons for not getting the vaccine have been because of potential side effects up to and including death. Why are these risks easily accepted otherwise? Approved drugs come with potentially deadly side effects as well.
To answer your question; why wouldn't I be concerned? The vaccine, like all vaccines, isn't 100 % effective. The only way to know if it wasn't effective for you is if you get sick. If everyone is vaccinated, what is already a low risk gets even lower. I hope that makes sense. |
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No, sir. I did answer it. You just don't want to hear it.
Now, re-read my answer. Last edited by vintagetoppsguy; 05-16-2021 at 03:06 PM. |
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As I already mentioned in this thread, I get the flu vaccine every year. I don't care if others get it or not. I do what I think is best for me. That's why I don't understand why those vaccinated from Covid are so concerned about the unvaccinated.
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Hell if people want to committ suicide its illegal! WHY??? Just keep them on that hamster wheel as long as physically possible, and even longer sometimes.
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Maybe they care about their fellow human beings?? Is this a trick question or am I missing something?
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Ah, ok. So they care so much about their fellow human beings, they make sure they're up to date on all their vaccinations?
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That's an easy one to answer from a science perspective. The more people who are unvaccinated the more time we give the virus to mutate. The more time we give it to mutate the more likely it mutates into a variant against which the current vaccines don't work. THAT'S why herd immunity is such a big deal. Not as much for immediate health but to keep this thing from lingering and flaring up continuously for years.
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Now the current vaccines used against covid in North America are not the classical type, and they are not designed to provide immunity. They are designed to provide a decreased percentage for the spike protein to bind to ACE2, thus lowering viral load in which the viral side effects are lower or not noticed by the person. Even in this design, they still say that a person who is vaccinated can still become infected and still spread the virus, albeit at a lower rate. The pressure on the virus due to the operating environment is what causes a virus to mutate. The limiting factors are the inability to spread, be it from a vaccinated person's increased resilience to the spike protein, or a recovered person with immunity. In this case, a virus may mutate to overcome those limitations. Now there are various outcomes of our current environment, as we have 4 (or 5) groups of people: 1. Those who have not had an infection but are not immune 2. Those who have recovered from an infection and have immunological memory (the body recognises the virus as well as spike protein) 3. Those who are vaccinated but have not had a previous infection. 4. Those who have recovered, have the immunological memory, and are vaccinated. 5. Those who are naturally immune (I think this is all of the possibilities at this time, if I forgot one let me know) So from the above, we can potentially ignore #5 because there is no way to know how a mutant would effect them. For the others the situation can vary depending on the reason why the mutant came into being. If a mutation occurs where a portion of the virus changes but it still binds to ACE2, then it will effect group 3 more than 2 or 4 because group 3 does not have immunological memory of the virus, only the spike protein If a mutation occurs where the spike protein changes OR binds to something other than ACE2 but the virus itself largely remains unchanged, then it will effect group 3 more than group 2 and 4, because group 2 would have the memory of the virus. The moral of the story is that vaccines do not (and have not) ever stopped a virus from mutating. Now there is some tedpidation in the literature I have read that vaccinating such large portions of a population gives the population too common of an infection vector. Rather than longer periods in the past of natural infection and a vaccine coming much later tends to give a varied type of immunity in a population, which creates a more difficult environment for a virus to adapt to. This virus is new, and the methods that governments have been using to contain it are new. Whether you get the vaccine or not, we won't know how it plays out until it plays out. And even then, it isn't like we can know if we did it right, because we can't have a do-over to try something else. |
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I'll take it, trumps any ongoing negotiations
For the card that is
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X2!
Excellent post, G1911.
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“(T)he reason to get a vaccine is to avoid the risk of the affects of the disease.” That is one of the reasons. The other reason is for a person to minimize his/her potential of passing the virus to another person. At 30 with a healthy weight and no vitamin D deficiency, you can get Covid-19 and survive. Great! But what about the people you infect? Can you say the same about them? “Put on a surgical mask, step outside on a cold morning, and breathe. See your breath in the air?” Yes, what of it? Do you expect a mask to completely absorb your breath so that none of your warm, moist breath condenses when it hits the cold air? Sorry, but that’s a rather specious reason to argue against wearing a mask. The reason for the mask is to reduce the distance that a person's breath will travel, thus minimizing the potential of a person infecting someone else. Not 100% perfect, but minimizing the distance the virus may travel from an infected person is important. At 30 with a healthy weight and no vitamin D deficiency, you can get Covid-19 and survive. Great! But what if you get infected and don’t know it? Isn’t wearing a mask a small price to pay if it can help keep you from infecting someone else? “States with high mask usage are not doing better than states without.” Do you have a source for this claim? This reference completely refutes that claim. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0249891 Lastly, you say you have a 99.8% chance of surviving getting Covid-19. Let me point out, that your chances of surviving the covid shot are greater than that. But, "what are the long-term effects the vaccine will have on me?", you ask. Right now, the prevailing thought is that it shouldn't have any. And, honestly, this thought may change. Do you know what the long-term effects of getting Covid-19 are? Is the prevailing thought that there is no chance of long-term effects of getting Covid-19?
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Pretty draconian view of society and your place in it. Would you slow down for someone crossing a street after the light turns green? Or did they make a decision they'll have to live with now?
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To be expected, I am afraid, of younger people. All about themselves.
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