Grading using artificial intelligence

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

If computers can be good enough for facial recognition in casinos, a living, moving target, I don't understand how they can't be used to, at a bare minimum, recognize a card it has seen before. Also that is what I believe PSA is using Kevin's software for right now. Nat Turner is on record as hating the crack and resubmit game so this makes sense. Of course when things get back to normal it'll be interesting to see if the lost revenue from said game causes a change of heart on the matter.

[Leon]

It is always good to sound like you are really for the hobby when you make so much off of it. I can think of few people that fit that description.

Resubmissions equal millions of dollars (probably). Yeah, as a business owner, lets just get rid of that stream of revenue.

So as AI in general goes, I agree it could take away some revenue. I always heard there have been pills? to make gas out of water but the oil companies always bought out the patent. (probably a tale but sounds reasonable)

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

If computers can be good enough for facial recognition in casinos, a living, moving target, I don't understand how they can't be used to, at a bare minimum, recognize a card it has seen before. Also that is what I believe PSA is using Kevin's software for right now. Nat Turner is on record as hating the crack and resubmit game so this makes sense. Of course when things get back to normal it'll be interesting to see if the lost revenue from said game causes a change of heart on the matter.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Leon

I always heard there have been pills? to make gas out of water but the oil companies always bought out the patent. (probably a tale but sounds reasonable)

You're thinking of an episode of the Munsters...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pnsw9Q2RV-E

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

You're thinking of an episode of the Munsters...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pnsw9Q2RV-E

Drop The Mike.

Point Made

[maniac_73]

Snowman, I've worked in Sports Technology for 20 years and that was the best breakdown of AI/ML that I have ever read. Thank you for that!

[abothebear]

Here is what I would want out of a third-party grade. I realize that the populace does not want this, but it makes the most sense to me as one who wants to buy and sell online (where the seller cannot have them in hand to check for themselves).

I'd like a verdict on five or six categories (like what Becket does), but with no composite "score." I realize the composite score is the main driver for the market, people want their card ranked, and they want the math done for them so they can price point it. But I just need a third party to tell me what I can't see for myself (centering is not necessary but could easily be measured and a ratio included, so why not add that). But clarity and color I can see from the scans, I don't need a TPG to add that into their composite score. For "Altered" there should be two only two possible answers - Signs of Altering detected or No signs of Altering detected.

And I'd like the grading levels were broader (not a 10 scale, maybe take one or two levels out of the poor to mint scale).

Real: Y
Trimmed: No
Altered: No signs found
Centering Front: Vert60/40, Hor58/42
Centering Back: Vert67/33, Hor28/72
Corners: Very Good
Edges: Near Mint
Surface texture front: Fair
Surface texture back: Good

Again, I realize that in the market the score is everything, and this is a pipe dream, but as a buyer, this is what I want to see, and all I want to see. I want to look at the scans, verify what I see or don't see against the TPG readings, and go about my business.

[AndrewJerome]

Snowman,

Just wanted to thank you for the incredibly detailed breakdown. The information you provided is a fascinating read for us "card dorks."

Andrew

[Johnny630]

Big Thank You To Snowman !!! Really informative

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by AndrewJerome

Snowman,

Just wanted to thank you for the incredibly detailed breakdown. The information you provided is a fascinating read for us "card dorks."

Andrew

I just read your three posts and agree completely.

Thank you very much.

[Rick-Rarecards]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

If computers can be good enough for facial recognition in casinos, a living, moving target, I don't understand how they can't be used to, at a bare minimum, recognize a card it has seen before. Also that is what I believe PSA is using Kevin's software for right now. Nat Turner is on record as hating the crack and resubmit game so this makes sense. Of course when things get back to normal it'll be interesting to see if the lost revenue from said game causes a change of heart on the matter.

I would bet they use gait, speech, height, and other characteristics along with the image.

This is a few years old but its not easy to tell twins apart, https://cacm.acm.org/news/226789-dis...twins/fulltext. You can think of all copies of a card as a twin.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Rick-Rarecards

I would bet they use gait, speech, height, and other characteristics along with the image.

This is a few years old but its not easy to tell twins apart, https://cacm.acm.org/news/226789-dis...twins/fulltext. You can think of all copies of a card as a twin.

Imagine trying to differentiate among the million or whatever Topps Update Trouts.