Minor league lawsuit

[FrankWakefield]

Golly... my contrarian nature revs up again...

I think Baseball's exemption keeps the game from being worse than it could be, and that we'd be better off if that lawsuit is quickly over.

McDonalds... once in a while I drive through one for lunch (or I run inside and order to go if the car lines are crazy long). I usually order a McDouble, no onions, an apple pie, and water. (Think slightly older version of minor leagues.) But one day I order a Quarter pounder with cheese, no onions, meal... that's fries and a Coke. I order that for the next several orders. Then one day I come to my senses, realize I don't need the Coke, nor those fries that don't biologically break down (and if one falls under the car seat, when found a year later it looks the same), nor that big of a sandwich... so I try to revert back to a sensible (for me) level of consumption and go back to McDouble, apple pie, and water. "No," they say, "once you start ordering larger meals, you can't revert back and scale down your order." (Think MLB can't down scaling their minor league system.)

Where does it stop?

MLB, you can't go back and have just one day game in the World Series

Nor can you have a shorter season.

No, you can't raise ticket prices.

You can't make the bases 3" bigger. (Which would decrease the distance between the bags by 4 1/2", think about it.)

No, twenty years from now you can't expand and add any Major League franchises.

No, you can't add additional minor league teams; all ML franchises must have the same number and levels of minor league teams.



I'm not saying MLB isn't broken... I'm saying that lawsuit won't fix it and may well make it worse.

[jingram058]

I'm saying MLB IS broken, to anyone who will listen. Because it IS broken. And it is all because of $$$$$$$$$$! Do kids play baseball anymore, other than former MLB players' sons? Does anyone watch baseball on TV? No, it is far too boring for society today. I personally think that the majority of so-called fans attending games in person are going by having their employer provide them with a ticket. Who can afford to go, unless you sell your encapsulated and bar coded Babe Ruth Goudey card? Are baseball players household names anymore? Who will be the star du jour in 2022, after this year's stars have their Tommy John surgeries. As I have said before, over and over, tell me again how ballplayers today are so much bigger, stronger, faster, and better as they collect their half a billion dollars to sit the bench. Total BS. And therein is the problem. Nothing can improve the game, can't speed it up or any of that, because the owners have to pay these guys salaries so big that most stars can't even comprehend mere mortals like fans anymore. Just to get an autograph at the All-Star Game, you have to pay through the nose for the VIP Experience Package or some such crap. In this current lockout, I 100% support the owners. Something has to give with these BS players or the game will tank.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by jingram058

I'm saying MLB IS broken, to anyone who will listen. Because it IS broken. And it is all because of $$$$$$$$$$! Do kids play baseball anymore, other than former MLB players' sons? Does anyone watch baseball on TV? No, it is far too boring for society today. I personally think that the majority of so-called fans attending games in person are going by having their employer provide them with a ticket. Who can afford to go, unless you sell your encapsulated and bar coded Babe Ruth Goudey card? Are baseball players household names anymore? Who will be the star du jour in 2022, after this year's stars have their Tommy John surgeries. As I have said before, over and over, tell me again how ballplayers today are so much bigger, stronger, faster, and better as they collect their half a billion dollars to sit the bench. Total BS. And therein is the problem. Nothing can improve the game, can't speed it up or any of that, because the owners have to pay these guys salaries so big that most stars can't even comprehend mere mortals like fans anymore. Just to get an autograph at the All-Star Game, you have to pay through the nose for the VIP Experience Package or some such crap. In this current lockout, I 100% support the owners. Something has to give with these BS players or the game will tank.

MLB is broken, but it takes two to tango. WAR is the greatest and worst new statistic of the modern era. It has been weaponized by GM to discredit ball players older than 30 yo. These teams are able to control players through their prime years, and then throw them away based on their replacement value. This led to a freeze in contracts for players who are not superstars over the last several years. All this occurs while the average fan doesn't understand how war is calculated, and can't even give a basic explanation of the statistics that lead to the valuation.

Tanking is also not a player driven idea. Yet another idea from the front office.

Baseball is broken, and I actually hope this lockout lasts to July or ends the season. I want competitive baseball from the Reds, Pirates, etc. If that is the one thing MLBPA can fix, I don't care how long it takes.

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[Orioles1954]

Originally Posted by todeen

MLB is broken, but it takes two to tango. WAR is the greatest and worst new statistic of the modern era. It has been weaponized by GM to discredit ball players older than 30 yo. These teams are able to control players through their prime years, and then throw them away based on their replacement value. This led to a freeze in contracts for players who are not superstars over the last several years. All this occurs while the average fan doesn't understand how war is calculated, and can't even give a basic explanation of the statistics that lead to the valuation.

Tanking is also not a player driven idea. Yet another idea from the front office.

Baseball is broken, and I actually hope this lockout lasts to July or ends the season. I want competitive baseball from the Reds, Pirates, etc. If that is the one thing MLBPA can fix, I don't care how long it takes.

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As an Orioles fan if a lockout leads to fewer games, a balanced schedule and salary cap/floor….I’ll be 100% in favor of missing the entire 2022 season if it means small market equity. Tanking is an indictment of large market domination and small markets should not be penalized for finding a way to survive.

[Tabe]

After 20+ years ss season ticket holders for the Spokane Indians, my wife and I made the decision to give up our seats. Spokane got bumped up from short A to AA and the season increased from 76 to 120 to 132 games. The beginning of the season was moved from mid-June to early April. It's cold here a lot of nights in June, April would be unbearable. There was no season in 2020 and the tickets for 2021 were a mess so we'd actually put our seats on hold. Two years of summers off and ticket money to travel with were nice.

Bottom line: MLB messed up the good thing we had going here in Spokane and we got rid of our seats.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by Tabe

After 20+ years ss season ticket holders for the Spokane Indians, my wife and I made the decision to give up our seats. Spokane got bumped up from short A to AA and the season increased from 76 to 120 to 132 games. The beginning of the season was moved from mid-June to early April. It's cold here a lot of nights in June, April would be unbearable. There was no season in 2020 and the tickets for 2021 were a mess so we'd actually put our seats on hold. Two years of summers off and ticket money to travel with were nice.



Bottom line: MLB messed up the good thing we had going here in Spokane and we got rid of our seats.

Hi neighbor! My parents had Indians seats, but gave them up before the reorganization when they changed the start times for Sunday games, and business games. I must say though, that Spokane puts out a good product. But baseball in April in Spokane, gross.

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[steve B]

To me Tanking makes no sense in baseball.

In other sports where someone straight out of college can make an impact it sort of makes sense if the team thinks the player available would be a special talent.
(And that's not guaranteed even for a top 10 pick, but it's more likely than in baseball.)

How many players in baseball get drafted and make the team right away with no time in the minors? I'm sure there are some, but very few.

So to me tanking in baseball is more an example of panicky clueless ownership/management than anything else.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by todeen

Hi neighbor! My parents had Indians seats, but gave them up before the reorganization when they changed the start times for Sunday games, and business games. I must say though, that Spokane puts out a good product. But baseball in April in Spokane, gross.

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The Indians are a quality organization and I generally love the way they do things. The changes made aren't their fault.

The most irritating thing about it all is that, with the 2020 season, we finally acquired the seats we wanted. We've been trying to get all four of our seats into the same specific box for a decade but it wasn't happening. That finally happened - and we literally never got to use them.

The Indians offered me a half-season package for 2022 to keep us on but wouldn't do a "second half only" package. They wanted to give us 15-20 games in April/May and that just wasn't going to work. I'll pass on the decent chance of snow and 30-degree games, thanks.