Interesting You Tube clip from from Greg Morris

[h2oya311]

Pretty awesome that GM does this “service”. My understanding is that most (all?) of the cards he sells are from consignments. I doubt probstein is doing this detection. That said, if he’s detecting these alterations, I’m not sure why he’s not identifying a card as trimmed in his description listings?? There’s a fine line between being upfront with card grades (he does a good job of this, in general) and pissing off consigners.

For full disclosure, I have purchased many cards from GM and have been very satisfied. Never consigned anything to him/them, but would certainly consider them over other consignment “shops” if and when that time comes.

[irv]

Originally Posted by h2oya311

Pretty awesome that GM does this “service”. My understanding is that most (all?) of the cards he sells are from consignments. I doubt probstein is doing this detection. That said, if he’s detecting these alterations, I’m not sure why he’s not identifying a card as trimmed in his description listings?? There’s a fine line between being upfront with card grades (he does a good job of this, in general) and pissing off consigners.

For full disclosure, I have purchased many cards from GM and have been very satisfied. Never consigned anything to him/them, but would certainly consider them over other consignment “shops” if and when that time comes.

I have seen it a few times.
Only a guess here but I would assume a majority of trimmed cards get rejected as do pressed cards unless it is a high end desirable card?

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by irv

I have seen it a few times.
Only a guess here but I would assume a majority of trimmed cards get rejected as do pressed cards unless it is a high end desirable card?

They post cards as "minimum size" but I'm not sure they sell trimmed cards.

Its possible they list trimmed cards as low grade (filler).

While I do love Greg Morris cards, they don't have a lot of description of their listings, probably to keep costs manageable.

They basically grade cards in 6 main ways: 1) NR-MNT or better 2) NR-MINT 3) EX-MNT 4) VG-VGEX (and sometimes they add "Crease" or "Wrinkle" to description) 5) LOW GRADE (and sometimes they add "Crease" or "Wrinkle") 6) LOW GRADE (filler)

Sometimes I wonder what makes a card LOW GRADE (filler) such as these cards:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/313828958833?hash=item4911a9e271:g:1uEAAOSwbGth3bp l

https://www.ebay.com/itm/38467316840...gAAOSw0P9h3bqI

So again, its possible that some of the LOW GRADE (filler) cards are suspected as being trimmed, or there is some other reason the cards got such a low grading.

[nolemmings]

I am uncertain whether he is just being safely conservative in his grading. He auctioned off several dozen m101-4s the past couple of days that were listed mostly as low grade and filler but clearly are not. That set has wide tolerance in measurements, and I believe he listed them as fillers because of this, although I agree with others that if he believes a card is trimmed he should say so. If it fails to measure or he is uncertain, just indicate that or put a question mark in the listing. Frankly, when I first went through those offerings and saw so many low grade filler descriptions I thought someone had just forgotten to change the description in the title.

Here is an example of what he called a filler:



This card has somewhat narrow side borders but is within tolerance and is not trimmed. It also has some discoloration on the back, but so do hundreds of graded examples that do not discount for this. Scans can be deceiving, but unless that is paper loss or glue residue on the back there is no way that card is a filler. Absent those problems it would grade EX or so, although these days the cost of grading does not justify its submission. Oh well, good for the buyer I guess.

*** Just to be clear, I have purchased many cards from this seller and believe him to be one of the good guys.