1968 Topps Milton Bradley help

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by G1911

This would be a very new definition of a unique card that has never before been accepted or used. Almost all Topps checklists have this difference from their DP’ing. We do not consider the base Topps set version to require 2 of the Marichal checklists, that have the exact same variation from being printed in 2 series with a different border design. We consider a base 1968 Topps set to be 598 cards. Variations are not unique cards, they are a variant you need for a master set, but they are not an entirely different card. I have both for my set because I like variations, but the Marichal checklist is a single card with multiple variations, just like every other variation card.

Originally Posted by G1911

The MB Marichal checklists are from the same series. The MB’s are a single series issue. It is the same picture, the same list, the same card number, in a 1 series release.

We are not likely to agree that these two Marichal cards in the MB set are unique cards. With Topps simply using complete rows from previous sheets to create the MB set, in this case the two rows with Marichal cards are from different series, it is tough to call them DPs based on their origin or difference in appearance. As this MB "series" was assembled by using rows from previous issues, it may be best to view each row as being unique in itself. I view the Marichal cards each being a part of a unique row of 11 cards that was taken from either a 1st or 2nd series sheet. So, with this "issue", no row is DP.

My point previously is that this MB set is unique compared to any regular issue set. I agree with DPs from the same series occurring in regular Topps issues. However, if you try to apply the conventional interpretation of a DP to the MB set, you will end up with many DPs.

There are numerous cards that have the same card #s in this single "series", albeit they originate from different issues....so even though many cards have the same card number, but the cards are different on the front/back (like the Marichal checklists), are these also DPs based on the conventional DP definition? .....of course not.

This set is unique and applying traditional Topps DP rules to it doesn't work.

Again, enjoy collecting it however you choose.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

We are not likely to agree that these two Marichal cards in the MB set are unique cards. With Topps simply using complete rows from previous sheets to create the MB set, in this case the two rows with Marichal cards are from different series, it is tough to call them DPs based on their origin or difference in appearance. As this MB "series" was assembled by using rows from previous issues, it may be best to view each row as being unique in itself. I view the Marichal cards each being a part of a unique row of 11 cards that was taken from either a 1st or 2nd series sheet. So, with this "issue", no row is DP.

My point previously is that this MB set is unique compared to any regular issue set. I agree with DPs from the same series occurring in regular Topps issues. However, if you try to apply the conventional interpretation of a DP to the MB set, you will end up with many DPs.

There are numerous cards that have the same card #s in this single "series", albeit they originate from different issues....so even though many cards have the same card number, but the cards are different on the front/back (like the Marichal checklists), are these also DPs based on the conventional DP definition? .....of course not.

This set is unique and applying traditional Topps DP rules to it doesn't work.

Again, enjoy collecting it however you choose.

You're welcome to use any redefinition making the MB's separate from all other cards you'd like. I will continue to use the long-established one that does not treat the MB's differently from every single other set of cards, and stand by original claim in post 20.

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by G1911

You're welcome to use any redefinition making the MB's separate from all other cards you'd like. I will continue to use the long-established one that does not treat the MB's differently from every single other set of cards, and stand by original claim in post 20.

Originally Posted by G1911

I have most of the 132 card set, but I’m missing a majority of the hot rods still. While all cards were printed in equal number (except the Marichal checklist), few bother to list the cars online. They have proven difficult for me to find, while the baseball and football are pretty common to find. The MB versions of the footballs are a significant chunk of those cards total populations, the AFL print runs were so much lower than MLB.

Well, at least we agree that it is a 132 card set.

[Exhibitman]

I think it is a stand-alone 132 card set. It was printed separately from all other Topps cards that year. It was distributed separately from all of the sets from which it was drawn. It was never in packs. It was never sold at retail by Topps. It contains cards derived from three other Topps sets. It contains cards across multiple years of issue. It is most akin to the various Topps sets made for Burger King from 1978-1980. Just not part of the regular issue.

A variation would be a card printed and sold in the same manner as the others that the manufacturer just happened to change during the print run, like the 1973 Kaline with the boo-boo, the 1972 Cubs cards with the different colors under some of the letters, or the 1974 Washington NL Padres.

A print flaw is not a defect, it is a card with a mistake on it, like the 'blob' cards in 1971 Topps.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

A print flaw is not a defect, it is a card with a mistake on it, like the 'blob' cards in 1971 Topps.

I have a hard time seeing how a print flaw is not a defect. To be a 'flaw' or a 'mistake' would, definitionally, make it a defect.

[etsmith]

Are the white lines only at the top and bottom on vertical cards? Here's a Rod Carew with a white line at the side.

Rod Carew.jpg

[brob28]

Edward, it depends on each cards print sheet placement. The Carew MB card can have a white border on the right side or bottom of the card. The Topps regular issue can have a white border on the right side only. So the card you show can be either issue, to be sure my next step would be to compare the shade of yellow on the back of the card.

[horzverti]

Originally Posted by etsmith

Are the white lines only at the top and bottom on vertical cards? Here's a Rod Carew with a white line at the side.

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The Carew card in post #40 is a regular Topps card. See that near 90 degree angle where Carew’s top and bottom uniform meet? In that area, in the background where the grass meets the dirt…see the stray red ink spot? That spot is present only on the Topps version. The MB version won’t have that spot or the spot will be super faint. Also, some MB Carew’s do indeed have a white line at the right. It is just a sheet gutter line.

Nearly all MB star cards have a similar “tell” on the front…Aaron, Gibson, Brooks, Namath, Seaver, Mathews, one of the Marichal checklists….and I already let the cat out of the bag on the Ryan. Once you see them, you can’t miss them.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

Well, at least we agree that it is a 132 card set.

Ha, like I said, I have both because I collect both master sets.