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Old 11-25-2022, 07:12 AM
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This comment appears to have been made without much consideration of the current state of healthcare in underserved populations, and the maintenance of health and diet in populations of different socioeconomic backgrounds. In fact, I'm sure that it could be interpreted as somewhat insensitive to some readers, regardless of socioeconomic background. Some facts:

1) The poor and/or underserved (many of whom must accept government assistance to survive) often cannot afford to purchase healthier foods or do not have access to stores that carry healthier foods, and by necessity must buy more items (often because they are less expensive) with higher fat content (for example, the fattiest ground beef is MUCH less expensive than 96% lean ground beef). This leads to adopting a higher fat diet, which leads to obesity.
2) There are other causes of obesity other than consumption of bacon and whatever foods you may have seen in those ladies' carts at the time you saw them. Some contributing factors may be genetic. Another factor may be level of activity that may be deficient due to any of a myriad of reasons.
3) The comment suggests there should be a correlation between obesity and /or food choices and the wearing of masks. I have seen no studies out there that have researched correlations between obesity, items in a shopping cart, and mask wearing. It's also worth considering that perhaps the women were sick and did not wish to infect other people, and wore masks for that reason. I can tell you that many people wear masks to prevent potential infection of others, not to prevent infection. I have done this myself at times.
4) It's perfectly reasonable for someone to wear the appropriate type of mask to reduce the possibility of infection if they are obese, because obese individuals will often have co-morbidities that can make it much worse for them should they be infected with COVID. Also, appropriate masking and transmission of infection or risk of being infected is something that can be controlled; obesity can't or often cannot be controlled as easily as you might think.

If you were a member of the healthcare community, I can assure you that what you saw would not be "funny" or interpreted as ironic at all.
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Unbelievable!!! But still, to many of the sheep, he is a god and is "Science"

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This comment appears to have been made without much consideration of the current state of healthcare in underserved populations, and the maintenance of health and diet in populations of different socioeconomic backgrounds. In fact, I'm sure that it could be interpreted as somewhat insensitive to some readers, regardless of socioeconomic background. Some facts:

1) The poor and/or underserved (many of whom must accept government assistance to survive) often cannot afford to purchase healthier foods or do not have access to stores that carry healthier foods, and by necessity must buy more items (often because they are less expensive) with higher fat content (for example, the fattiest ground beef is MUCH less expensive than 96% lean ground beef). This leads to adopting a higher fat diet, which leads to obesity.
2) There are other causes of obesity other than consumption of bacon and whatever foods you may have seen in those ladies' carts at the time you saw them. Some contributing factors may be genetic. Another factor may be level of activity that may be deficient due to any of a myriad of reasons.
3) The comment suggests there should be a correlation between obesity and /or food choices and the wearing of masks. I have seen no studies out there that have researched correlations between obesity, items in a shopping cart, and mask wearing. It's also worth considering that perhaps the women were sick and did not wish to infect other people, and wore masks for that reason. I can tell you that many people wear masks to prevent potential infection of others, not to prevent infection. I have done this myself at times.
4) It's perfectly reasonable for someone to wear the appropriate type of mask to reduce the possibility of infection if they are obese, because obese individuals will often have co-morbidities that can make it much worse for them should they be infected with COVID. Also, appropriate masking and transmission of infection or risk of being infected is something that can be controlled; obesity can't or often cannot be controlled as easily as you might think.

If you were a member of the healthcare community, I can assure you that what you saw would not be "funny" or interpreted as ironic at all.
you mentioned a lot, but sometimes the simplest explanation can also be argued, perhaps people that are less educated and economically disadvantaged can also be ripe for manipulation by the government in many ways. Also my comment is basically the same as saying 'why does someone at burger king order 3 Whoppers and 3 Large Fries and a DIET COKE. You really didnt have to be so deep in the comment. Yeah there can be many meaningful ways to describe things but people can be hypocrites and also be all the things you mention as well...its not black and white my fellow human of the world. just an observation.

I was also speaking about someone who did have access to healthy groceries nearby because we were both at the same place and had equal access, so the lack of access argument is very disingenuous. Cramming in a false narrative.


As an aside, Tuna fish is still very cheap by the way and has very low fat content. Its not like people do not have access to canned tuna fish versus fresher high fat bacon. At the store I was at fresh veggies were very cheap and there are tons of cheap healthy options out ther versus junk food such as Doritos. I would think in 30 years life experience, people do know that high sugar is not good for you or high fat. People are free to make their choices and people are free to make observations (with a touch of humor) on those choices and also people are free to say those observations are insensitive as well.

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; obesity can't or often cannot be controlled as easily as you might think.
This is completely false. We do not have tens of millions of obese citizens because of uncontrollable conditions, it’s because people ignore the health consequences of unhealthy diets. It is, for 99% of the population, the easiest health problem to control. 99% can simply stop being obese by adopting a healthy diet and exercising.
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This is completely false. We do not have tens of millions of obese citizens because of uncontrollable conditions, it’s because people ignore the health consequences of unhealthy diets. It is, for 99% of the population, the easiest health problem to control. 99% can simply stop being obese by adopting a healthy diet and exercising.
also why is it other comparable countries seem to not have it close to as bad as us.
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also why is it other comparable countries seem to not have it close to as bad as us.
Great wealth + fast food + fried everything = obese people everywhere .

I was one of them. It’s very easy to stop being that way. I even spend less on food now with a healthy lifestyle and BMI than I did when I didn’t care and lived the ‘good life’. Obesity is much easier to control (you yourself have control of it) than highly infectious diseases, and far, far, far more damaging to your health than Covid-19. Nobody cares, of course, because there’s no virtue signal political points for not being obese.
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This is completely false. We do not have tens of millions of obese citizens because of uncontrollable conditions, it’s because people ignore the health consequences of unhealthy diets. It is, for 99% of the population, the easiest health problem to control. 99% can simply stop being obese by adopting a healthy diet and exercising.
The statement I made about controlling obesity is absolutely not completely false and can be easily verified if you care to do a deeper dive. Yes, there are many patients that are not compliant with doctor's recommendations. There are patients that cannot be compliant due to costs of maintaining medications. There are still more that do not have access to healthier foods and exercise for a myriad of reasons. To say that my comment is completely false is both wrong and short-sighted. There is no "simply stopping being obese by adopting a healthy diet and exercise" for 99% of people that are obese. Ask any doctor, especially those that care for the underserved and lower income populations, and they can fill you in on this if you care to listen to them.
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The statement I made about controlling obesity is absolutely not completely false and can be easily verified if you care to do a deeper dive. Yes, there are many patients that are not compliant with doctor's recommendations. There are patients that cannot be compliant due to costs of maintaining medications. There are still more that do not have access to healthier foods and exercise for a myriad of reasons. To say that my comment is completely false is both wrong and short-sighted. There is no "simply stopping being obese by adopting a healthy diet and exercise" for 99% of people that are obese. Ask any doctor, especially those that care for the underserved and lower income populations, and they can fill you in on this if you care to listen to them.
Only those with a woefully myopic worldview will disagree with your points here. "All those people struggling to make ends meet just need to start shopping at Whole Foods and sign up for spin classes!"
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The statement I made about controlling obesity is absolutely not completely false and can be easily verified if you care to do a deeper dive. Yes, there are many patients that are not compliant with doctor's recommendations. There are patients that cannot be compliant due to costs of maintaining medications. There are still more that do not have access to healthier foods and exercise for a myriad of reasons. To say that my comment is completely false is both wrong and short-sighted. There is no "simply stopping being obese by adopting a healthy diet and exercise" for 99% of people that are obese. Ask any doctor, especially those that care for the underserved and lower income populations, and they can fill you in on this if you care to listen to them.
Bullshit. You can eat fairly healthy for the same cost as eating at McDonalds and getting trash every day. I know because I do it. The poor are as capable of walking and running as I am. It costs absolutely nothing to exercise, you don’t need a home gym, you need basic cardio for weight control. It is not difficult to not be obese, for poor and rich obesity was rare until very, very recently. Exercise, eat healthy, and 99% will not be obese. You don’t need medication to not be obese; you need medication for the things obesity causes and wreaks upon your body. It is very easy to not be fat. There is not some magic new fat disease striking Americans. It is peoples terrible choices for which they are responsible.
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Great wealth + fast food + fried everything = obese people everywhere .

I was one of them. It’s very easy to stop being that way. I even spend less on food now with a healthy lifestyle and BMI than I did when I didn’t care and lived the ‘good life’. Obesity is much easier to control (you yourself have control of it) than highly infectious diseases, and far, far, far more damaging to your health than Covid-19. Nobody cares, of course, because there’s no virtue signal political points for not being obese.
For some folks with discipline, access to healthy foods, and a living wage, I agree, it's easier to try to adopt a healthier lifestyle and lose weight. The BMI is tricky though and there's an argument whether the cut-of for the BMI standard of obesity is correct. I am considered borderline obese based on BMI, but play basketball twice a week with college students that are 40 years younger than me in pickup-games, and do fairly well to keep up with them. In other words, I'm still fast and in relatively good shape. The BMI index is not a very good indicator of obesity in my particular case or for others, for different reasons. Can there be better messaging for living a healthier lifestyle? Absolutely. And you may have a point that because it remains apolitical, there may never be the attention drawn to it that COVID had. But again, it's not an issue that 99% of the afflicted population can wish away, easily or otherwise.
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Only those with a woefully myopic worldview will disagree with your points here. "All those people struggling to make ends meet just need to start shopping at Whole Foods and sign up for spin classes!"
Sadly, you will find many with that worldview here.
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Bullshit. You can eat fairly healthy for the same cost as eating at McDonalds and getting trash every day. I know because I do it. The poor are as capable of walking and running as I am. It costs absolutely nothing to exercise, you don’t need a home gym, you need basic cardio for weight control. It is not difficult to not be obese, for poor and rich obesity was rare until very, very recently. Exercise, eat healthy, and 99% will not be obese. You don’t need medication to not be obese; you need medication for the things obesity causes and wreaks upon your body. It is very easy to not be fat. There is not some magic new fat disease striking Americans. It is peoples terrible choices for which they are responsible.
If you can't be civil and counter with arguments supported by facts and without using expletives, you're not worth my time. But you keep taking your narrow-minded view, and good luck to you with that approach.
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Thanks Bobby and James. Sometimes I don't know why I bother to post in threads that are not directly related to sports memorabilia. It's difficult to share contrasting points of view even when supported by easily accessible facts and when offered in a civil manner. I don't pretend to know everything; we all deal with having bias: unconscious bias and other forms. In the end, I may agree that given the context, I may have an opinion or may have formed a conclusion that might be right or might be wrong. But I have no interest in engaging with people that just want to keep their hands over their ears or respond with expletives or a unilateral statement that a comment supported by facts is completely wrong. It's just a waste of time and it's better to just agree to disagree with people rather than divert my time from reading through some of the other fun threads on Leon's wonderful forum.
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If you can't be civil and counter with arguments supported by facts and without using expletives, you're not worth my time. But you keep taking your narrow-minded view, and good luck to you with that approach.
Did the word, "Bullshit", really upset you that badly?
Best not to watch this then as I'm sure it will send you right over the edge even though Bill is 100% spot on. The majority of fat people come from fat tables, there is no denying that.
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This is completely false. We do not have tens of millions of obese citizens because of uncontrollable conditions, it’s because people ignore the health consequences of unhealthy diets. It is, for 99% of the population, the easiest health problem to control. 99% can simply stop being obese by adopting a healthy diet and exercising.
It's amazing isnt it? I mean who would of thought "poor" people could be fat? Look at 3rd world countries, those are poor people. Are are talking about poor, or lazy? It would actually take effort to get off those statin drugs and insulin, with just a little diet and exercise. As it would to go shopping anywhere and cook, rather than stop at the drive thru.
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Thanks Bobby and James. Sometimes I don't know why I bother to post in threads that are not directly related to sports memorabilia. It's difficult to share contrasting points of view even when supported by easily accessible facts and when offered in a civil manner. I don't pretend to know everything; we all deal with having bias: unconscious bias and other forms. In the end, I may agree that given the context, I may have an opinion or may have formed a conclusion that might be right or might be wrong. But I have no interest in engaging with people that just want to keep their hands over their ears or respond with expletives or a unilateral statement that a comment supported by facts is completely wrong. It's just a waste of time and it's better to just agree to disagree with people rather than divert my time from reading through some of the other fun threads on Leon's wonderful forum.
This and the gun ownership threads have really brought out some nastiness and ignorance. I consider it a good thing about this community that such vitriolic garbage is relatively rare on here.
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Ots amazing isnt it? I mean who would of thought "poor" people could be fat? Look at 3rd world countries, those are poor people. Are are talking about poor, or lazy? It would actually take effort to get off those statin drugs and insulin, with just a little diet and exercise. As it would to go shopping anywhere and cook, rather than stop at the drive thru.
It's lazy and we all know it . It's very easy, it doesn't take the privilege of being wealthy to not be obese. There is a very, very small part of the population with a genuine disorder that prevents their body from working properly and for whom weight management is legitimately difficult and not a simple choice, but it is very, very rare.

Having a little discipline is not a privilege of the wealthy. A fellow's job does not mean he is incapable of thinking about what he puts into his body, incapable of discipline, incapable of getting out and exercising (cardio is free! It costs nothing to take a run!). What an offensive characterization of the poor, since we're going to make this about being offended. I was poor and barely scraping by out of college when I made the choice to stop being fat. I was still able to pick the healthy food. A giant tub of Spinach costs less than a Big Mac.

Being fat is a choice people make. It's grossly unhealthy. People can make whatever choice they want for themselves, but to pretend that most people are incapable of policing their weight is a load of bullshit. That's not "science" or "medicine", that's denying it. If people want to get triggered by basic self responsibility or their unscientific bullshit being labelled "bullshit", they can.
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Thanks Bobby and James. Sometimes I don't know why I bother to post in threads that are not directly related to sports memorabilia. It's difficult to share contrasting points of view even when supported by easily accessible facts and when offered in a civil manner. I don't pretend to know everything; we all deal with having bias: unconscious bias and other forms. In the end, I may agree that given the context, I may have an opinion or may have formed a conclusion that might be right or might be wrong. But I have no interest in engaging with people that just want to keep their hands over their ears or respond with expletives or a unilateral statement that a comment supported by facts is completely wrong. It's just a waste of time and it's better to just agree to disagree with people rather than divert my time from reading through some of the other fun threads on Leon's wonderful forum.
The thing I underestimate is the ability of conservative white men to see the world in their own view, other views (and facts) be damned. It’s actually amazing to behold.
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You certainly dont underestimate using the race card!
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You certainly dont underestimate using the race card!
When you don’t have any facts or common sense, you got to deal the “everyone else must be racist” card, even if it’s about a completely non-racial topic, like cross-racial obesity . You can’t reason with an unreasonable ideologue who can only spout completely off topic accusations.
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When you don’t have any facts or common sense, you got to deal the “everyone else must be racist” card, even if it’s about a completely non-racial topic, like cross-racial obesity . You can’t reason with an unreasonable ideologue who can only spout completely off topic accusations.
I think the side that says socioeconomic conditions have nothing to do with obesity rates and it’s just personal choices is the side that is disregarding facts. Or is empirical evidence something we just cast aside when we want to fit a narrow worldview - got it. Will try that more often.
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It gets you so fired up - hard not to throw a passing shot.
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I take offense to the suggestion that wearing a mask is "virtue signaling." What irony. For years you righties claimed the right to make your own choice about masks and now you deride anyone who does the same simply because you don't agree with the choice they make? I guess the freedom to make a choice is a great thing unless it is someone else's choice and you don't agree with it. You also don't know the minds of the people who choose to mask up. I wear a mask in public places at risk for spreading respiratory viruses right now because my last cold ended up with a vicious sinus infection and I don't want a repeat performance. That ain't a signal, it is self-preservation.
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I take offense to the suggestion that wearing a mask is "virtue signaling." What irony. For years you righties claimed the right to make your own choice about masks and now you deride anyone who does the same simply because you don't agree with the choice they make? I guess the freedom to make a choice is a great thing unless it is someone else's choice and you don't agree with it. You also don't know the minds of the people who choose to mask up. I wear a mask in public places at risk for spreading respiratory viruses right now because my last cold ended up with a vicious sinus infection and I don't want a repeat performance. That ain't a signal, it is self-preservation.

"They do seem to have largely stopped the mask virtue signaling, it's a small minority still wearing them here in far-left land where I live, and those that do aren't going apoplectic when they see people not participating in their fear narrative."

You can do whatever you want. The virtue signaling is the freak-outs, demands, and bans of people choosing not to participate in your fear. If you are scared to go outside without a mask and believe that you need one to stay alive, then wear one. The statement actually made was that it nice that, while the narrative will never be dropped, the virute-signalling has subsided and people are no longer throwing public tantrums or attempting to arrest the rest of us for living a normal life. If you'd like to be offended, go right ahead.
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Best not to watch this then as I'm sure it will send you right over the edge even though Bill is 100% spot on. The majority of fat people come from fat tables, there is no denying that.
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Nope, doesn't upset me. Read what I wrote though. People can use expletives or they can carry on a civil conversation (use of profanity carries with it added meaning, doesn't it, because in this case it's basically telling a person that they are full of it, no?). Not interested in expletive-laced rants, which is what these conversations would lead to if I responded in kind. Simple as that. And he's not 100% spot on. The discussion was also not about the majority of people. My original response was based on what I interpreted as the context of quote I was originally referring to. And it's 100% correct. Again, if you asked anyone in the healthcare industry or someone that educates those in the healthcare industry, I believe they would support the statements I made.

Look at the response I got: "You can eat fairly healthy for the same cost as eating at McDonalds and getting trash every day." Low-income people cannot afford the cost of 3 combo meals from McDonalds for each of an average of 3-4 family members every day. Sure, if they had the money to spend $6-$10 per person per meal like they would spend at McDonalds, they indeed could eat healthier, and maybe the author of this comment can do that every day with their income. But I can assure you that a significant proportion of the U.S. population cannot spend that much money on individual meals. The argument is absurd and is not supported by the math.

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Nope, doesn't upset me. Read what I wrote though. People can use expletives or they can carry on a civil conversation (use of profanity carries with it added meaning, doesn't it, because in this case it's basically telling a person that they are full of it, no?). Not interested in expletive-laced rants, which is what these conversations would lead to if I responded in kind. Simple as that. And he's not 100% spot on. The discussion was also not about the majority of people. My original response was based on what I interpreted as the context of quote I was originally referring to. And it's 100% correct. Again, if you asked anyone in the healthcare industry or someone that educates those in the healthcare industry, I believe they would support the statements I made.

Look at the response I got: "You can eat fairly healthy for the same cost as eating at McDonalds and getting trash every day." Low-income people cannot afford the cost of 3 combo meals from McDonalds for each of an average of 3-4 family members every day. Sure, if they had the money to spend $6-$10 per person per meal like they would spend at McDonalds, they indeed could eat healthier, and maybe the author of this comment can do that every day with their income. But I can assure you that a significant proportion of the U.S. population cannot spend that much money on individual meals. The argument is absurd and is not supported by the math.
If they are being honest they will tell you it is really because they are STUPID. Plain and simple the majority of poor people are poor because they are dumb. You can't expect them to magically make good food decisions when they do not have the ability to make intelligent decisions. As someone who grew up seriously poor and still has some seriously poor friends from the old neighborhood that is my real life observation.

Covid also seems to be a popular Thanksgiving acquisition.
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If they are being honest they will tell you it is really because they are STUPID. Plain and simple the majority of poor people are poor because they are dumb. You can't expect them to magically make good food decisions when they do not have the ability to make intelligent decisions. As someone who grew up seriously poor and still has some seriously poor friends from the old neighborhood that is my real life observation.

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Pretty amazing take. First post here that made me laugh. So your view is a kid born poor in the inner city has the same opportunity as a trust funder from Cape Cod? If only that first kid wasn’t so stupid he’d do just fine.
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Pretty amazing take. First post here that made me laugh. So your view is a kid born poor in the inner city has the same opportunity as a trust funder from Cape Cod? If only that first kid wasn’t so stupid he’d do just fine.

If one is lazy and the other isnt, they could end up on opposite sides of the coin. If not, why try? That's the exact "science " and excuse you are giving to people.

I disagree people are poor, Not stupid. They are incentivized to stay that way.
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Exactly. Our government makes it way too easy.
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If one is lazy and the other isnt, they could end up on opposite sides of the coin. If not, why try? That's the exact "science " and excuse you are giving to people.

I disagree people are poor, Not stupid. They are incentivized to stay that way.
Almost have to think you guys are joking.
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I shudder to think you or your ilk might be educators to our youth
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You mean people who are willing to consider viewpoints other than their own? Yeah, I'd hate to see those kind of people in education...
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Those that make excuses for others. The moochers, the takers, and the unproductive of society. I've walked the streets of 3rd world countries. People that are poor, aren't overweight.
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Those that make excuses for others. The moochers, the takers, and the unproductive of society.
How do you determine who does and doesn't belong to that group?
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If they are being honest they will tell you it is really because they are STUPID. Plain and simple the majority of poor people are poor because they are dumb. You can't expect them to magically make good food decisions when they do not have the ability to make intelligent decisions. As someone who grew up seriously poor and still has some seriously poor friends from the old neighborhood that is my real life observation.

Covid also seems to be a popular Thanksgiving acquisition.
If you were a co-worker of mine, I could introduce you to over 100 doctors I know and NONE of them will tell you that it is because poor people are stupid---some of them treat the indigent populations of patients and they can speak from experiences with hundreds of individuals. I also grew up seriously poor and I still have friends that are heads of lower income families. You and I absolutely have not made the same real-life observations; these friends intellectually were a microcosm of the general population (translation: some are smart, others not so smart, and most are in the average range of intellect). Perhaps you should consider that your view is extremely limited because of your experiences or who you knew, and maybe, just maybe, there are other explanations....and that looking at a larger number of people than the few you associated with could lead to a different point of view, or at least the notion that you should be open to that possibility. Too say that the majority of poor people are stupid and to use this as an explanation of obesity is just ridiculous. You can read more about health care disparities and diet in underserved populations if you really want more insight in this area---the actual data will convince you much better than I could, if you have the interest in pursuing it further. I'll just leave it there.
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Those that make excuses for others. The moochers, the takers, and the unproductive of society. I've walked the streets of 3rd world countries. People that are poor, aren't overweight.
And your logic tells you that it’s because they are smarter? Smart thinking.
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Missouri Attorney General Eric Schmitt said Friday that during his seven-hour deposition with Dr. Anthony Fauci, new information revealed that two months after Fauci told a friend masks were "ineffective," he supported mask mandates.

On Friday, the Show-Me State Republican attorney general tweeted a "tidbit" from his deposition with the outgoing head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases:

"Another tidbit from Fauci depo: In Feb ‘20 he emailed a friend advising her masks were ineffective. Confirmed again on Mar 31. On Apr 3 he’s adamant masks should be worn even though he couldn’t cite a single study to prove it. Mandates followed—Lives ruined."

"COVID tyranny is born," Schmitt continued.

On Wednesday, Schmitt and his counterpart, Louisiana Attorney General Jeff Landry, questioned Biden's chief medical adviser under oath for his alleged role in colluding with Big Tech to control communication about COVID-19 as part of the duo's lawsuit.

Schmitt and Landry filed the lawsuit in May, accusing top-ranking government officials of working with the giant social media companies Meta [Facebook], Twitter and YouTube "under the guise of combating misinformation" in order to achieve greater censorship.

They are seeking to prove that Fauci worked with Facebook and others to tamp down talk that the virus originated in a lab in Wuhan, China.

"Defendant Dr. Anthony Fauci, a senior federal government official, coordinating with others, orchestrated a campaign to discredit the lab-leak hypothesis in early 2020," Landry and Schmitt said in their brief. "As director of [National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases], Dr. Fauci had funded risky 'gain-of-function' research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology through intermediaries such as EcoHealth Alliance, headed by Dr. Peter Daszak."

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Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases
FAUCI ADMITS ‘CERTAIN ASPECTS’ OF THE GOVERNMENT'S COVID-19 RESPONSE WERE ‘BOTCHED’

"Thus, if the lab-leak theory were established, Dr. Fauci and Dr. Daszak could be potentially implicated in funding the research on viruses that caused the COVID19 pandemic and killed millions of people worldwide," they said.

According to a Wednesday tweet following the deposition, Schmitt said Fauci "knew the Lab Leak theory had merit but it'd come back to him & sought to immediately discredit it."

In his last White House press conference before he is scheduled to retire after a 50-year career next month, Fauci said, "Every day for all those years I've given it all that I have, and I've never left anything on the field," he continued.

"I gave it all I got," Fauci added.
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Sadly, you will find many with that worldview here.
i also think its interesting when there is a solid issue and the only main negative is attacking the extreme position such as saying ZERO chance that poeple cant control obesity...of course its not zero.....but than the person citing the extreme one way is extreme the other way in their position saying CANT control obesity essentially...we are talking about a majority postion.not the extreme....i would argue the majority of people can control obesity by eating less fatty foods and lower sugar and moderate excercise for 15 mins a day such as walking would do wonders for the majority of people. Focusing an argument on people who are extreme that say that zero chance anyone can avoid being obese if they really dont want to really makes your argument extreme as well.
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Why are military still have vaccine mandate? I know its an issue now but why is it even an issue. Where are those 'well emergency rooms were full' arguments... it was a slippery slope and we went all the way downhill
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Why are military still have vaccine mandate? I know its an issue now but why is it even an issue. Where are those 'well emergency rooms were full' arguments... it was a slippery slope and we went all the way downhill
Did you see where they are now saying, due to all the heart attacks and premature deaths in the vaccinated, that it is not the vaccines causing all this but rather the unvaccinated that are causing them all this undue stress and anxiety that is causing the heart attacks and causing many of them to die?

Just when you think they couldn't stoop any lower with the excuses for their shitty, worthless and dangerous vaccines, they outdo themselves yet again.

What's even more sad is the amount of sheep who actually believe this.

https://twitter.com/AndersonAfDMdEP/...0uTEstOpD94c7Q

This biological mechanism (the constriction of veins, arteries and vessels under mental stress) is the most likely cause for where there has been blood clots, strokes, heart attacks, dizziness, fainting, blurred vision, loss of smell and taste that may have been experienced shortly after vaccine administration. The extreme mental stress of the patient could most likely be attributed to the fear mongering and scare tactics used by various anti-vaccination groups.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9629406/#

The "shots" are so affective they are now recommending everyone get vaccinated every 2 months, or 6 times a year. Remember when they said boosters were a conspiracy theory as was ones own natural immune system?
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I havent had my polio vaccine since I was a kid. I should probably get another one. Oh and about 7 years since tetanus, sign me up for that one as well. Every 2 months, ha! People still lining up.

"Poor" but fat people. Other countries are mocking us.

It was a sign of wealth centuries ago, now they are too "poor" to eat well. That would take a conscious choice, planning ahead if time. There should be a standardized test to procreate at this point. Tie'em till they pass
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"Poor" but fat people. Other countries are mocking us.

It was a sign of wealth centuries ago, now they are too "poor" to eat well. That would take a conscious choice, planning ahead if time. There should be a standardized test to procreate at this point. Tie'em till they pass
Well we learned in this thread that it is not that people don’t eat well. Obese people are too poor to afford bad junk food. For some reason nobody could ever actually state, they also can’t eat smaller portions (which would save money!). I have no idea how the rampant obesity among the middle class and wealthy fits into this narrative. If you consume more than you burn, you get fat. Eat less and exercise more to not be fat, run a calorie deficit to lose weight. Duh. I remember when it was lefty to endorse actual science and biology. Now it’s right wing to be cognizant of biological facts that don’t support a victim narrative. The things that are political issues are amazing now. What’s next?
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Well we learned in this thread that it is not that people don’t eat well. Obese people are too poor to afford bad junk food. For some reason nobody could ever actually state, they also can’t eat smaller portions (which would save money!). I have no idea how the rampant obesity among the middle class and wealthy fits into this narrative. If you consume more than you burn, you get fat. Eat less and exercise more to not be fat, run a calorie deficit to lose weight. Duh. I remember when it was lefty to endorse actual science and biology. Now it’s right wing to be cognizant of biological facts that don’t support a victim narrative. The things that are political issues are amazing now. What’s next?

You really don't think there's an issue with America's food supply? Why are so many of the products used widely in the American food chain (BVO, high fructose corn syrup, ammonia-laced beef, chlorine-laced chicken, pork full of ractopamine, etc.) banned in so many other countries? These products are included in a large variety of low-cost foods, like fast food, for example, which we all know utilizes "pink slime" to fill out their menus. Dollar menus are cheap alternatives for families but they are always the worst food you could eat.

So you have a cycle of people who can't afford food that won't kill them and a country that authorizes the use of products known to make people ill in the food they can afford.

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Well we learned in this thread that it is not that people don’t eat well. Obese people are too poor to afford bad junk food. For some reason nobody could ever actually state, they also can’t eat smaller portions (which would save money!). I have no idea how the rampant obesity among the middle class and wealthy fits into this narrative. If you consume more than you burn, you get fat. Eat less and exercise more to not be fat, run a calorie deficit to lose weight. Duh. I remember when it was lefty to endorse actual science and biology. Now it’s right wing to be cognizant of biological facts that don’t support a victim narrative. The things that are political issues are amazing now. What’s next?
amazing when you go to other countries how their portions are less and the people are in better shape... fruits and veggies, for the most part and far cheaper than processed foods....
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amazing when you go to other countries how their portions are less and the people are in better shape... fruits and veggies, for the most part and far cheaper than processed foods....
Our meat, poultry, dairy, etc corporations have way too much power in America and they are determined to make money off of every part of the process.
Eliminating those items from your diet can help your body and the planet immensely.
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The poultry and meat industry lobbied relentlessly for Ag-Gag laws and the reason is if you ever did know the living conditions of the animals you’re about to eat there’s no way you’d ever eat that food.

Clearly there is a major issue with food supply in this country and there is a concerted effort being made by corporations and government entities to keep bad food in play.
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You really don't think there's an issue with America's food supply? Why are so many of the products used widely in the American food chain (BVO, high fructose corn syrup, ammonia-laced beef, chlorine-laced chicken, pork full of ractopamine, etc.) banned in so many other countries? These products are included in a large variety of low-cost foods, like fast food, for example, which we all know utilizes "pink slime" to fill out their menus. Dollar menus are cheap alternatives for families but they are always the worst food you could eat.

So you have a cycle of people who can't afford food that won't kill them and a country that authorizes the use of products known to make people ill in the food they can afford.
There's some sarcastic context from earlier, when it was insisted that America's obese are too poor to even afford fast food and that that is not the problem.

Obviously unhealthy food is a huge problem. However, it's not the supply so much as that the more tasty tempting choices that are everywhere. There is no shortage of healthy food available. You can very, very easily eat fairly healthy for the same or less money. A giant tub of spinach costs less than a Big Mac (the burger, not the combo). Salads are cheap. I eat healthy and spend LESS money than I did when I made poor health choices. I am not special.

While junk food poses other health problems, one can eat crap food and still be thin or lose weight. It's a caloric equation, study after study has found this, that if you eat bad food but run a calorie deficit, you still lose weight. Eating a smaller portion is not more expensive. It does not cost the poor anything to eat less. If one is obese, they need to eat less (or choose not to, that's ones right). Eating less is not more expensive. Obviously. I wish there was less junk food being sold everywhere, but it's there because people choose to buy Big Mac's far more often than they choose to buy the $4 tub of Spinach. It's a choice people make. Getting healthy food is not difficult, I have been all over this country and lived in upper class places and very low class ones. I have never had any difficulty whatsoever finding healthy food for the cost of fast food or less. I am not special.

Eating healthy can be done on the same budget. People are wildly obese in America from all social and economic classes (what's the average T-shirt size at a card show of affluent people with extra spending money? XXL?). It is cheaper to eat smaller servings. People just don't excercise self control. Your weight is one of the few things in life you have near total control over. People just prefer victim narratives and pretending there wasn't ever a choice than taking any responsibility for their choices they make every single day.
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That is just not true. If you're eating something like fast food regularly because it's either cheap enough for you to feed your entire family, or you just don't have any energy left to cook otherwise after your day, you're consuming empty calories. Empty calories come from food with no nutritional value, like fast food, again, for example. You can limit your portions all you want but you will still gain weight disproportionally and your health will suffer just the same. It's because a lot of the food we eat in this country is low quality food.

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