Indians/Guardians and the Topps History Police

[packs]

The team is based in Cleveland. Hasn't that always been true?

[deweyinthehall]

Originally Posted by packs

The team is based in Cleveland. Hasn't that always been true?

Actually no - the club originated as a minor league team in Grand Rapids in the 1890s.

But, to the point I think you're trying to make - if Topps traditionally listed the Red Sox as merely "Boston", the Padres as "San Diego" and so forth, I wouldn't have a concern.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall

Actually no - the club originated as a minor league team in Grand Rapids in the 1890s.

But, to the point I think you're trying to make - if Topps traditionally listed the Red Sox as merely "Boston", the Padres as "San Diego" and so forth, I wouldn't have a concern.

Yes, it's an inconsistency to play the PC game. We should do this to every team, few of them survive a PC check if one look to be offended.

The Trolley Dodgers is offensive to the mobile impaired.

The Padres are offensive to non-Christian identifying individuals.

The Giants are offensive to the vertically challenged.

The Reds are offensive to the colorblind.

The Astros are offensive because after their original was changed for not being PC, they named themselves for the space initiative, which was partially the work of former Nazi scientists.

The Texas Rangers (baseball team) are offensive because the Texas Rangers (law enforcement) were racist long ago.

The Pirates are offensive because pirates stole, murdered and raped people.

The Nationals are offensive because American nationalism is evil and racist.

Change all the team names, and remove these offensive words from the baseball cards. We shouldn't use the city names either though, many of those are offensive too. Step it up Topps, change the words before others do, be the leaders instead of the followers in improving the world.

[raulus]

A lot of cards from the 50s and 60s just list the city on the back of the card, at least on the annual stats rows, and not the mascot. Haven't gone through every year carefully through 2022, but depending on the specific issue, it might not be that big of a deal, unless there are certain city names that become offensive and need to be eliminated with extreme prejudice.

[JustinD]

There are numerous cities that do or have had multiple teams. The current and past have the same impact to releases as so many tribute and throwback cards are made. Listing by city is a terrible idea now and forever.

[mrmopar]

It's not much worse that the logo less stuff that has become the new norm. Before it was just oddball issues like MSA, It's hard to like a regular baseball card that is logo less and listing a team name as the City, as many do (Panini and Leaf for example), I know its a licensing issue, so I guess I am glad more didn't try earlier in my collecting career to make them as common as they are today

[packs]

Changing the team listing has happened before. Take a look at the Joe Morgan cards from 2015 or 2016 Topps Archives. The backs list the “Houston Colts” and not the Colt 45’s. I don’t remember a lot of complaints and maybe people didn’t even notice for the most part.

[frankhardy]

Originally Posted by G1911

Yes, it's an inconsistency to play the PC game. We should do this to every team, few of them survive a PC check if one look to be offended.

The Trolley Dodgers is offensive to the mobile impaired.

The Padres are offensive to non-Christian identifying individuals.

The Giants are offensive to the vertically challenged.

The Reds are offensive to the colorblind.

The Astros are offensive because after their original was changed for not being PC, they named themselves for the space initiative, which was partially the work of former Nazi scientists.

The Texas Rangers (baseball team) are offensive because the Texas Rangers (law enforcement) were racist long ago.

The Pirates are offensive because pirates stole, murdered and raped people.

The Nationals are offensive because American nationalism is evil and racist.

Change all the team names, and remove these offensive words from the baseball cards. We shouldn't use the city names either though, many of those are offensive too. Step it up Topps, change the words before others do, be the leaders instead of the followers in improving the world.

I personally think that every MLB team name is offensive - except the Cardinals!

Greg, it seems I have made a habit of correcting you lately!

[ALR-bishop]

The Cardinals are offensive for only featuring the male of the species

[frankhardy]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

The Cardinals are offensive for only featuring the male of the species

They honor the female species by wearing the away gray uniforms!

So....still not offensive!

[G1911]

Originally Posted by frankhardy

I personally think that every MLB team name is offensive - except the Cardinals!

Greg, it seems I have made a habit of correcting you lately!

I have always wanted to have somebody to correct all of the silly things I say. You're going to have your hands full, it seems I have a lot to learn about the perfection of the Cardinals!

I have refined my all-time team to:
SP: Dizzy Dean
C: Yadier Molina
1B: Stan Musial
2B: Rogers Hornsby
3B: Stan Musial (it's okay he never played there!)
SS: Dal Maxvill
LF: Stan Musial
CF: Willie McGee
RF: Curt Ford

[frankhardy]

Originally Posted by G1911

I have always wanted to have somebody to correct all of the silly things I say. You're going to have your hands full, it seems I have a lot to learn about the perfection of the Cardinals!

I have refined my all-time team to:
SP: Dizzy Dean
C: Yadier Molina
1B: Stan Musial
2B: Rogers Hornsby
3B: Stan Musial (it's okay he never played there!)
SS: Dal Maxvill
LF: Stan Musial
CF: Willie McGee
RF: Curt Ford

I see exactly how you baited me on that one. That is your choice for YOUR all time Cardinals team, so I'm not going to say one word about it. I am NOT going to correct you on it.

So there you go - I am keeping my promise - not going to correct you.

I have written 3 paragraphs and have not corrected you. I'm doing so good!

= = =

Ok! I can't take it any more! Are you telling me that you have the audacity to leave Albert Pujols and Ozzie Smith off of an all time Cardinals team? Seriously!!!!

[G1911]

Originally Posted by frankhardy

I see exactly how you baited me on that one. That is your choice for YOUR all time Cardinals team, so I'm not going to say one word about it. I am NOT going to correct you on it.

So there you go - I am keeping my promise - not going to correct you.

I have written 3 paragraphs and have not corrected you. I'm doing so good!

= = =

Ok! I can't take it any more! Are you telling me that you have the audacity to leave Albert Pujols and Ozzie Smith off of an all time Cardinals team? Seriously!!!!

I must admit that that Ozzie guy was pretty good, but he didn't have a cool action pose in the 1971 set like Maxvill. I don't make the rules!

[todeen]

Originally Posted by G1911

I have always wanted to have somebody to correct all of the silly things I say. You're going to have your hands full, it seems I have a lot to learn about the perfection of the Cardinals!



I have refined my all-time team to:

SP: Dizzy Dean

C: Yadier Molina

1B: Stan Musial

2B: Rogers Hornsby

3B: Stan Musial (it's okay he never played there!)

SS: Dal Maxvill

LF: Stan Musial

CF: Willie McGee

RF: Curt Ford

with the incorporation of the NL DH, you can add Pujols to your list.

Sent from my SM-G9900 using Tapatalk

[BobC]

Originally Posted by packs

The team is based in Cleveland. Hasn't that always been true?

Yes it is true since they joined American League back in 1901. As noted above, the team did actually come from elsewhere first.

I believe Dewey's point/question has to do with how in the past, cards would often refer to a team's name/nickname, and not just the name of the city itself, when giving some prior year or other biographical info about a player on the back of their card. His question would be along the lines of what are they going to do going forward if say they had a bio on the back of a card and mentioned something like how the player won the ROY award several years earlier, before they changed the team name from Indians to Guardians. Are they still going to list it as Indians, since that was the actual team name at the time, or will they now just use Guardians for everything? Or maybe they'll try to skirt and ignore the entire question by just referring to everything as Cleveland from now on that was prior to the name change. I threw in the added question then about using images of players from before the name change as well, and if they would alter and remove any instances of the Indians name or Chief Wahoo on the uniforms, or maybe just be sure to only use images/photos that don't show the Indians name or Chief Wahoo anywhere on them.