1982 Topps Blackless

Miked211 · #1 01-19-2023, 10:42 PM

It was not me but another Murphy player collector I know that won the blackless. He was super excited to add it. Such a tough find.
They just don�t show up very often.
Random question for you guys. There were a few blank back no signature 82 Topps cards listed on COMC a few years ago. Not a blackless because they had no back and a border. Some kind of proof?

ALR-bishop · #2 01-20-2023, 11:06 AM

Mike---there is Blackless, gray ghosts or Blacklessing, Blueless and....Autoless. I have a couple of them. The description is not mine but from a seller I bought several Blackless cards when building my set. Good example of Creative Writing

ALR-bishop · #3 01-20-2023, 11:07 AM

Autoless descriptions

ALR-bishop · #4 01-20-2023, 01:04 PM

I think Fred�s Autoless description is priceless which is why I saved it. And even though he says it is the �most rarest card� if you ever read his description of Blackless C sheet cards when he sold those you would have thought them more valuable than a Russian Faberge egg

ALR-bishop · #5 01-20-2023, 01:18 PM

One more rambling thought. Fred says they are not proof cards even though blank backed because they are not a proof of the issued cards. Rather he views them as a test design card that was replaced by a different design

Another example would be the Topps 1984 blank backed Head in the Box or Encased set of 66 cards, which differ from the issued cards in that the insert face is fully contained in the inset box rather than extending beyond it as with the issued cards. Fred would say they are not proof cards but rejected test design cards. To me that is semantics. I think they are proofs for an unissued design. But folks can call them whatever they want

JustinD · #6 01-20-2023, 02:53 PM

I call nonsense and can�t see a definition that covers these as a test issue and not a proof with blank backs. This is likely back door scrap that was rolled out the back as it did not finish the production process. If it did not complete the printing process or was tossed as scrap, there is no presentable proof that his was purposely done action to show design production options.

The only either mistake or even perhaps a design thought that slipped past editing is the George Foster in action with or without a signature.

In my mind this is scrap or proof, without it in hand to examine the cut I am unsure.

ALR-bishop · #7 01-20-2023, 03:43 PM

I have the Jackson. There are other blank back autoless cards with black borders. You could be right about scrap or they could be like the 84 Encased. I think they could be scrap in a sense too, an early rejected design. I have a “set” of those on an uncut sheet. But who knows. I like having the Jackson, whatever it is… or isn’t ��

Fred, who wrote the description above is eccentric but not a fraud. He sold a lot of legitimate 82 Blackless, 84 Encased and 85 Minis on eBay in years past. He thought very highly of his cards and priced them accordingly. But his descriptions always give me a chuckle. I could picture him at a carnival attraction

4reals · #8 01-25-2023, 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

I think Fred�s Autoless description is priceless which is why I saved it. And even though he says it is the �most rarest card� if you ever read his description of Blackless C sheet cards when he sold those you would have thought them more valuable than a Russian Faberge egg

I saved it too, Al. The guy can sell, lol.

Blackless Collector · #9 03-23-2023, 03:51 PM

Another PSA Mistake....they remove the pic and remove from Blackless Pop report🙏🏻

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