What is the highest ever graded Old Judge card?

[z28jd]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

I think the Alcott was one of the most overgraded cards ever. It was pulled directly from a pack by Alan Rosen, I believe, but it was heavily stained on the back from the cigarettes. Technical grade should have been a lot lower in my opinion.

This could definitely be true. I only saw the front I believe, which was incredible looking. I doubt if I saw the back looking as bad as you describe, I would have been interested at all in it. I probably saw it in 2002, so it's been a while. I know someone bought it not long after I saw it too, because I wrote asking about it and it was gone. I could be wrong, but I believe BMW Cards had it when I saw it.

[G1911]

Anyone have the pics?

[Lorewalker]

Apparently not the highest graded OJ but a key from the set, https://goldinauctions.com/1887_N172...-LOT86957.aspx

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Apparently not the highest graded OJ but a key from the set, https://goldinauctions.com/1887_N172...-LOT86957.aspx

This one at least looks better than the other PSA 9 shown in this thread.

[Fred]

alcott hands on hips Mansfield SGC98.jpg

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Fred

Attachment 568001

Thank you!

[Lorewalker]

And one more...

https://postimg.cc/GTL1w4sX

[Misunderestimated]

SGC's grading back in the early days was much more forgiving that it has been the past 10+ years.

I think that they (tacitly) considered the set/issue and curbed the grading standards accordingly. PSA not so much but certainly a little.
At one point I had an SGC 98 T202 -- I'm not sure that it would get a PSA 8 (or an SGC 8) now.

As to Old Judge cards I think that the TPGs don't consider the strength of the image -- so there are some rather obscured N172s with high grades and some beautiful ones with low grades based on the back of the card. As a middling Old Judge collector for 25+ years I've always cared much more about the image than the back. Same with Mayo's where the slightest absence of black on the reverse is nearly fatal to the grade of an otherwise beautiful front image.

I have a high PSA grade (7) Old Judge that has a pink front. It used to be that the pink was a big problem for Old Judge collectors -- I don't think the TPGs considered it one way or the other.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Misunderestimated

SGC's grading back in the early days was much more forgiving that it has been the past 10+ years.

I think that they (tacitly) considered the set/issue and curbed the grading standards accordingly. PSA not so much but certainly a little.

I think SGC is worse today than in the past when it comes to grading OJs. I've received OJs graded by SGC with the new holder and label that I'm almost certain have alterations (reback or trim).

I have a couple PSA graded OJs that have been assigned numerical grades even though the Goodwin ad at the bottom has been trimmed off.

The only thing SGC is doing good with OJs is that they are putting the pose number on the flip. Other than that, I think they're grading of OJs has not improved at all, and neither has PSA.

None of the TPGs seems to have a clue about grading OJs, let alone anything else. Aren't the TPGs supposed to KNOW how to DETECT alterations to provide hobbyist with a subjective opinion that is supposed to protect the collector. Well, the do a shittttty job of it. TPG subjectivity is horrible and collectors are a bunch plastic addicted junkies that can't get enough of being screwed over.

Someone please pull the soap box from beneath my feet so the TPG noose can do it's job.