How many fake autographs out there?

[Duluth Eskimo]

I never said Kevin was not knowledgeable or very skilled in his work, I said the error rate. They kick stuff all the time that is good. One example, they are currently kicking all kinds of Kirby Puckett items because they learned a bunch of stuff that wasn’t good made it through the process. So is it right to kick back multiple items because they were burnt in the past? No, it’s not. There are many many other examples just like this.

No one here ever said Bill or Kevin weren’t great at what they do, they said they are taking peoples money and kicking back items that are good. Apparently that business model is ok with you.

Every person who submits larger quantities knows this. They don’t care because they (PSA) are keeping peoples money and they don’t allow push back. Just like you don’t allow push back.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

Just like you don’t allow push back.

But I don't mind pushback at all, I've been a pusherback all my life. It's just that I am old enough to remember the "wild west" days of the hobby, and I don't think anybody wants to go back to that. You used the word "ridiculous" twice in pushing back on my support of the TPAs, so I guess I'm pushing back on you a bit for that, but you didn't answer my question: of the total universe of submissions to PSA, as an example, what % do you think they get wrong? And wouldn't you rather they be too strict in their opinions--which can't be great for their business other than solidifying their reputation--than too lax? I really don't want to come off as a shill for the TPAs, but setting up at shows with Kevin for a dozen years taught me a lot about the autograph hobby, and I just think that it's better now with them than it was before without them. That shouldn't exempt them from criticism, however, and I shouldn't have called that whining, that was wrong on my part. Everybody's feet should be held to the fire in whatever they do, it's a better world that way.

[WhatsNext]

I think that on balance, rejecting an authentic signature is a much "better" mistake to make than passing a forgery. Of course, no company is going to get everything 100% right, but I generally believe JSA, PSA, and Beckett rarely pass inauthentic signatures, and if that means they end up kicking a few more authentic examples, that's a trade-off I'm perfectly fine with.

[shelly]

I have not read everything in this thread. So if what I am about to write has all ready been written so be it.
If you are talking about autographs that you find in packs may I remind you of the $80.000 upper deck card that had two forged signitures.
That card was authenticated by a so called expert.

There are only two people that I would trust when it come to vintage autographs. Jim Stenson and Rirchard Simon. As far as to autographs of today I would not trust anyone because of how poorly they sign there names, unless it is from a company that has these people under contract and some times I am not even sure about that.

[homerunhitter]

id rather have and trust a pack pulled factory certified autograph over a psa certified autograph anyday!

[Lordstan]

Originally Posted by homerunhitter

id rather have and trust a pack pulled factory certified autograph over a psa certified autograph anyday!

Maybe not

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[homerunhitter]

clarification..i meant on card topps autographs!

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by shelly

There are only two people that I would trust when it come to vintage autographs. Jim Stenson and Rirchard Simon. As far as to autographs of today I would not trust anyone because of how poorly they sign there names, unless it is from a company that has these people under contract and some times I am not even sure about that.

It's Jim STINSON and RICHARD Simon, and yes, they are at the very top by reputation with vintage autographs. There is another handful of experts in that same group, but I'm not going to name names here. How anybody could really authenticate today's squiggles and scratches is beyond me, I would surely want to have witnessed it or have some truly ironclad provenance, but I'm not sure what that might be. And I'd be surprised if the autograph hobby doesn't take a hit at some point because of this and also because the newer sigs are just so darned unattractive and illegible.