1954 All Star Photo pack questions

[jethrod3]

Originally Posted by whiteymet

My OLD SCD Standard catalog mistakenly shows them as 1956 ( not 1954) All Star Photo pack lists 17 WITH Avila and Garcia but not Eddie Robinson. Others are:

Boone, Campy, Dark, Kuenn, Mathews, Mays, Minoso, Musial, Newcombe, Reynolds, Roberts, J. Robinson, Schoendienst, Snider and Williams.

Here is a Lelands listing that says there are 30 in the set:

https://lelands.com/bids/1954-all-star-game-photo-pack

What 17 are in your pack?

My 17 are: Kuenn, Snider, Kiner, Mathews, Boone, Reynolds, Kluzewski, Roberts, Minoso, Schoendist, Dark, Mays, Musial, Berra, Jackie Robinson, Mantle and Williams. I have the envelope too, and I doubt that they could fit another 13 photos into it without causing damage. Mine are all pretty nice with sharp corners though a few of them have the diffuse dark printer splotches on the back that always seem to cause the grades to be pretty low.

[jethrod3]

Originally Posted by jethrod3

My 17 are: Kuenn, Snider, Kiner, Mathews, Boone, Reynolds, Kluzewski, Roberts, Minoso, Schoendist, Dark, Mays, Musial, Berra, Jackie Robinson, Mantle and Williams.

Sorry, I missed one that was doubled up in a top loader with another player. I also have Campy, so that makes the total number, that I received with the 1954 All Star envelope, to 18. I do not have a Kaline or Banks.

in my 2008 Standard Catalog, the complete set is listed as 24 and the aforementioned Indians players are listed in there with all 24 having the names in the boxes.

[whiteymet]

Originally Posted by jethrod3

Sorry, I missed one that was doubled up in a top loader with another player. I also have Campy, so that makes the total number, that I received with the 1954 All Star envelope, to 18. I do not have a Kaline or Banks.

in my 2008 Standard Catalog, the complete set is listed as 24 and the aforementioned Indians players are listed in there with all 24 having the names in the boxes.

So. does anyone have any of the Indians like Avila or Garcia with their names in the white box? If so please show here.

[jethrod3]

Originally Posted by whiteymet

So. does anyone have any of the Indians like Avila or Garcia with their names in the white box? If so please show here.

So I tried to do a little more research and while I could not uncover the 2 Indians players you were looking for, I did notice something interesting about the 1954 All Star Photo Pack Ernie Banks. The position of the name is different. I don't have all of them in front of me at the moment, but to my recollection, in all of the others examples in my photo pack, the name of the player always appears in a rectangle located in the lower right corner of the photo. Likewise, I found a Kaline in the PSA APR section, and the location of the name, while in the general vicinity as the names in my other photos, is noticeably higher. Not sure what to make of that.

[sb1]

Even PSA has problems with these. I have seen a 1956 Mantle holdered as the 1954 AS but was clearly the larger size. All of the 1954's are the smaller than most team issued photo pack issues.

I have: Ernie Banks, Ray Boone, Roy Campanella, Al Dark, Al Kaline, Ted Kluszewski, Harvey Kuenn, Mickey Mantle, Ed Mathews, Willie Mays, Minnie Minoso, Stan Musial, Don Newcombe, Robin Roberts, Jackie Robinson, Al Schoendienst, Herb Score, Duke Snider, Ted Williams -19 different, presumably others...

[jethrod3]

Originally Posted by sb1

Even PSA has problems with these. I have seen a 1956 Mantle holdered as the 1954 AS but was clearly the larger size. All of the 1954's are the smaller than most team issued photo pack issues.

I have: Ernie Banks, Ray Boone, Roy Campanella, Al Dark, Al Kaline, Ted Kluszewski, Harvey Kuenn, Mickey Mantle, Ed Mathews, Willie Mays, Minnie Minoso, Stan Musial, Don Newcombe, Robin Roberts, Jackie Robinson, Al Schoendienst, Herb Score, Duke Snider, Ted Williams -19 different, presumably others...

Are your Banks and Kaline pics like the ones I showed, or do they have the names in the lower right hand corner? Just curious if all the 1954's had the same layout.

[sb1]

No they are higher on the photo as are several other players, not all are lower right.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by jethrod3

Are your Banks and Kaline pics like the ones I showed, or do they have the names in the lower right hand corner? Just curious if all the 1954's had the same layout.

I might just be fooling myself into thinking that I have a complete 1954 set, but I’m not showing that either Banks or Kaline were included in the 1954 set. But the odds are good that I'm wrong, and not just a little.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by jethrod3

My 17 are: Kuenn, Snider, Kiner, Mathews, Boone, Reynolds, Kluzewski, Roberts, Minoso, Schoendist, Dark, Mays, Musial, Berra, Jackie Robinson, Mantle and Williams. I have the envelope too, and I doubt that they could fit another 13 photos into it without causing damage. Mine are all pretty nice with sharp corners though a few of them have the diffuse dark printer splotches on the back that always seem to cause the grades to be pretty low.

Just went back and looked at my list. I have 18 total. Basically your 17 plus Campanella.

[sb1]

So if we tally up the confirmed in the threads we are up to twenty-one.

Ernie Banks, Yogi Berra, Ray Boone, Roy Campanella, Al Dark, Al Kaline, Ted Kluszewski, Harvey Kuenn, Mickey Mantle, Ed Mathews, Willie Mays, Minnie Minoso, Stan Musial, Don Newcombe, Allie Reynolds, Robin Roberts, Jackie Robinson, Al Schoendienst, Herb Score, Duke Snider and Ted Williams.

I don't collect these, just buy and sell, but I don't think I have sold anyone else not on this list.

[whiteymet]

I still think it is strange that Bob Lemke listed Avila, Garcia and Eddie Robinson as being in the 17 card set in the 2004 SCD Standard Catalog.

Wonder where he got that info?

[sb1]

They may very well be, that would bring it to an even 24... Bob was usually fairly thorough to confirm things he put on a checklist.

[jethrod3]

Originally Posted by sb1

They may very well be, that would bring it to an even 24... Bob was usually fairly thorough to confirm things he put on a checklist.

Originally Posted by whiteymet

I still think it is strange that Bob Lemke listed Avila, Garcia and Eddie Robinson as being in the 17 card set in the 2004 SCD Standard Catalog. Wonder where he got that info?

Again, in my 2008 catalog (the latest that I have), there are 24 listed included those Cleveland players. Agreed, Bob was fairly thorough, but I often find updates entered into his old blog, or an article here or there in SCD or other magazines in which he updated his checklists or made corrections.

We may not have the answer until someone finds an unopened pack of 1954 All Star photos. But I guess one has to be willing to then open it. I picked up what I believe to be an unopened 1948 Cleveland Photo Pack earlier this year, so there's a chance some untampered/unopened envelopes containing the 1954 All Stars still exist in the wild!

[sb1]

There is also the possibility that the ones included in a "complete pack" varied as the year progressed, that is certainly true of team issued photo packs as players were traded or a new star emerged. So perhaps the 54's were the same way.

[jethrod3]

Originally Posted by raulus

Just went back and looked at my list. I have 18 total. Basically your 17 plus Campanella.

In a later post I mentioned that I'd overlooked the Campy in my count, so I had 18 as well.